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Replying to: fezo (May 22, 2009 6:24 am)
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Replying to: murphydawgman (May 22, 2009 10:12 am) All 3 Kia dealerships in my metro area are all under the same ownership, which is why they can get away with it. I don't necessarily have a problem with mud guards or pinstripes, it's when dealerships put them on every one of their vehicles and have a mark-up of 400% that makes one think these dealership can't be trusted. It's almost like a bait and switch. They advertise the low prices on radio and newspaper, then when you come in there are all the dealer add ons jacking up the price by thousands. dealer add-ons not included. |
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Replying to: murphydawgman (May 22, 2009 10:12 am) Well, we're all entitled to our opinions. |
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Replying to: murphydawgman (May 22, 2009 10:12 am) Ok I have to ask what is legit about putting pinstripes on all the cars?
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Replying to: snakeweasel (May 22, 2009 5:36 pm) Car dealers can use pinstripes as a way to differentiate their product from their competition. Many cars simply look better with pinstripes. So it is the dealers choice. And obviously there is potential for increased gross profit. Now the consumer has the choice to purchase the car as is, or refuse to pay for the pinstripes. Or as some have suggested, simply shop elsewhere. It is kind of a stretch to imply this is illegitimate.
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Replying to: jwilliams2 (May 22, 2009 7:05 pm) OK I have to ask how does it differentiate from which competition? If you mean from the same model car from another dealership I don't see how (since most people won't see them from distances greater than 10 feet), if you mean different makes I think that being a different make is difference enough. It is kind of a stretch to imply this is illegitimate. Its only legitimate if the customer asks for the pinstripes to be applied. It really is a stretch to apply them to every car and say its needed.
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Replying to: snakeweasel (May 22, 2009 8:15 pm) Differentiate, meaning makes the car look better/sharper than a competitor's without. Not that hard to understand. Its only legitimate if the customer asks for the pinstripes to be applied. It really is a stretch to apply them to every car and say its needed. A dealer can offer a product configured any way he sees fit. If a dealer wants to sell all cars with upgraded purple wheels, thats his choice, and he can charge what he wants. As long as he puts it on the proper addendum. The consumer always has options, and can buy or not. Never heard a dealer say its "needed". Just his way of marketing. Smart, maybe not. Again, not that hard to understand, and not illegal or illegitimate.
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Replying to: jwilliams2 (May 22, 2009 8:50 pm) Sorry but its hard to understand how something that is unnoticed when your more than ten feet away makes a car look better/sharper. Also the fact that it makes the car look better/sharper is completely subjective. A dealer can offer a product configured any way he sees fit. Agree but is it a meaningful configuration and does the customer have a choice in the configuration? Never heard a dealer say its "needed". Having it on every car they sell implies that it is needed. Basically "we don't sell it without it, take it or leave it" is pretty much the same as "it's needed". Again, not that hard to understand, and not illegal or illegitimate. I will agree its not illegal, but I have to disagree that it it legitimate as the reality of the situation it doesn't truly improve the car. Its not hard to understand.
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Replying to: snakeweasel (May 23, 2009 4:29 am) Well, most folks get closer than ten feet to the car they are considering buying. And you are correct, the addition of pinstripes are subjective, but in some applications, they do improve the looks of the car, and many people like them. And as I said, it is the dealers choice to market his product as he sees fit. The consumer has the choice to either buy the car as is, or refuse to pay for unwanted extra equipment. The consumer can also choose to buy at another dealer. So to call it illegitimate, is really a stretch. I personally would not pay for them, so I would exercise my right to not pay or go elsewhere. You can certainly do the same. I think we have beat this to death, so lets move on. 
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Replying to: jwilliams2 (May 23, 2009 7:03 am) Like I posted earlier, most consumers will end up paying for those add-ons whether the dealer waives the fee or not. He'll just tack the cost on somewhere else. The sales manager will not drop the price of the car as much, or he will insist on a full doc. fee instead of a discount. They aren't going to give you something for free. It's a good bargaining ploy as well. The sales manager says that he waived $2,000 worth of dealer installed options, now why can't you the consumer meet him halfway on price. Us savvy Edmunds buyers will have a smart out the door price that doesn't include any money for dealer add ons. That way we know the add-ons aren't being sneaked in somewhere else. Still probably better to shop somewhere else.
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