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Re: I want to buy a LANCER GTS 5 SPEED [isellhondas] by snakeweasel
May 21, 2009 (1:56 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (May 21, 2009 5:28 am)

Why do you bring up this scotchguard stuff?
 
You were the one that mentioned that if I were selling a car I would want to get every dime out of it. I just mentioned that dealers do mark up things like scotch guard like you wouldn't believe.
 
I think you reap what you sow
 
True, now apply that to what dealers reap.
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Re: I want to buy a LANCER GTS 5 SPEED [kirstie_h] by snakeweasel
May 21, 2009 (1:58 pm)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (May 21, 2009 5:52 am)

Fair enough, I just find it amazing that there are people that complain about buyers trying to save every last dine but defend sellers getting every last dime. So I will now move on.
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Re: I want to buy a LANCER GTS 5 SPEED [snakeweasel] by fezo
May 21, 2009 (6:11 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (May 21, 2009 1:58 pm)

You have a fair argument. For some reason things never got past the "it's the dealers" vs "it's the customers" stage.
 
I absolutely refuse to pay a penny for anything the dealer has added on. If they say all our cars have it I say thank you for your time but I can't do business with you. Once or twice they've backed down and just ate that. Usually they will try to discount it maybe 60 - 70% and try to sell what a deal it is. Sorry. Paying anything at all for something I don't want is a bad deal.
 
The sales folks - even the ones at straight shooting dealerships - have to realize that the industry has poisoned the well of good will on this. I spend far too much of transaction time trying to guess how they are going to screw me over in a way I haven't thought of. They do deals every day. I don't. I better be on defense.
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Re: I want to buy a LANCER GTS 5 SPEED [fezo] by jipster
May 22, 2009 (4:34 am)
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Replying to: fezo (May 21, 2009 6:11 pm)

I absolutely refuse to pay a penny for anything the dealer has added on. If they say all our cars have it I say thank you for your time but I can't do business with you. Once or twice they've backed down and just ate that.
 
The overpriced dealer add-ons have a cost to them, so you end up paying somewhere for it. If there is $2,000 worth of add-on junk (i.e mop n glow, mud guard, pin stripes, key card security system) and the dealers cost is $400 for parts and labor, they aren't just going eat the loss. That's $400 less you'll be able to haggle off the cost of the car.
 
The local Kia dealerships play that slimy game. They run SCREAMER radio ads almost nonstop. Every car on their lot has $2,000 plus in dealer add ons. Better to just go somewhere else, which I did.
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Re: I want to buy a LANCER GTS 5 SPEED [jipster] by fezo
May 22, 2009 (6:24 am)
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Replying to: jipster (May 22, 2009 4:34 am)

Yeah, walking and giving your business to an honest place is the way to go.
 
We have a Hyundai dealership north of here who does all his ads as "30% off the posted dealer price." Don't even have to guess that the posted dealer price will exceed MSRP by something like, oh, 30%.
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Re: I want to buy a LANCER GTS 5 SPEED [fezo] by murphydawgman
May 22, 2009 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: fezo (May 22, 2009 6:24 am)

Ok guys I'm one of those dealers. Some dealers mainly in your metro markets do play the add on game mainly because they can get away with it. If they loose you there are 10 customers behind you that will never hear from you, and your bad experience. There are some legitimate add ons. Mud guards and pin stripes are legit, unless they are priced unreasonably. And to be honest with you many of the OEM accessories are not competitive with you local pep boys down the street, but on th other hand you local pep boys doesn't guarantee that accessory for 3 yrs and 36000 miles. Many Manufacturers do . If they are trying to sell you a undercoating or rustprofing for $300 walk away. Nothing more than a high quality wax job and sometimes not even high quality. anyway my two cents worth. THose are the guys that give the rest of us a bad name.
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Re: I want to buy a LANCER GTS 5 SPEED [murphydawgman] by jipster
May 22, 2009 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: murphydawgman (May 22, 2009 10:12 am)

Some dealers mainly in your metro markets do play the add on game mainly because they can get away with it
 
All 3 Kia dealerships in my metro area are all under the same ownership, which is why they can get away with it.
 
I don't necessarily have a problem with mud guards or pinstripes, it's when dealerships put them on every one of their vehicles and have a mark-up of 400%
that makes one think these dealership can't be trusted. It's almost like a bait and switch. They advertise the low prices on radio and newspaper, then when you come in there are all the dealer add ons jacking up the price by thousands.
 
dealer add-ons not included.
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Re: I want to buy a LANCER GTS 5 SPEED [murphydawgman] by grandtotal
May 22, 2009 (1:06 pm)
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Replying to: murphydawgman (May 22, 2009 10:12 am)

...pin stripes are legit...
 
Well, we're all entitled to our opinions.
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Re: I want to buy a LANCER GTS 5 SPEED [murphydawgman] by snakeweasel
May 22, 2009 (5:36 pm)
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Replying to: murphydawgman (May 22, 2009 10:12 am)

pin stripes are legit
 
Ok I have to ask what is legit about putting pinstripes on all the cars?
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Re: I want to buy a LANCER GTS 5 SPEED [snakeweasel] by jwilliams2
May 22, 2009 (7:05 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (May 22, 2009 5:36 pm)

Ok I have to ask what is legit about putting pinstripes on all the cars?
 
Car dealers can use pinstripes as a way to differentiate their product from their competition. Many cars simply look better with pinstripes. So it is the dealers choice. And obviously there is potential for increased gross profit.
 
Now the consumer has the choice to purchase the car as is, or refuse to pay for the pinstripes. Or as some have suggested, simply shop elsewhere.
 
It is kind of a stretch to imply this is illegitimate.

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