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Re: Dealer Scam cont... [blufz1] by joel0622
Jun 05, 2007 (5:36 pm)
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Replying to: blufz1 (Jun 05, 2007 4:11 pm)

She needs an attorney to immediately write a letter to the dealer.
 
Ya it will go something like this
 
Lawyer: You said she could bring it back
 
Dealer: Where does it say that. All we have is a contract she signed.
 
Lawyer: My client was given a verbal promise
 
Dealer: Where does it say that? All we have is the contract she signed.
 
Lawyer: Your Sales Person told her that she could bring it back if she does not like it>
 
Dealer: Where does it say that? All we have is the contract she signed.
 
I don't condone there action. If that is the whole story and what really happened then I feel bad for her. But she bought a car. If she does not know enough to get things in writing in any contract then she has just learned.
 
Car Dearlers, Plumbers, Accountants, Lawyers, Police Officer, Most real good, a few crooked as hell.
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Re: Dealer Scam cont... [joel0622] by joe131
Jun 05, 2007 (5:50 pm)
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Replying to: joel0622 (Jun 05, 2007 5:36 pm)

yep, gotta try the sting thing
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Re: Dealer Scam cont... [blackmba] by snakeweasel
Jun 05, 2007 (6:00 pm)
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Replying to: blackmba (Jun 05, 2007 4:04 pm)

Wait, $18K with $2K down for 4 years and a payment of $315 a month? Something isn't right are you sure its not 5 years?
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Re: Dealer Scam cont... [joel0622] by mikefm58
Jun 05, 2007 (6:38 pm)
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Replying to: joel0622 (Jun 05, 2007 5:36 pm)

Or it could go something like this since the buyer brought in a lawyer.
 
Lawyer: You said she could bring it back
  
Dealer: Talk to our lawyer
  
Lawyer: My client was given a verbal promise
  
Dealer: Talk to our lawyer.
  
Lawyer: Your Sales Person told her that she could bring it back if she does not like it>
  
Dealer: Talk to our lawyer.
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Seems fine to me... by plekto
Jun 05, 2007 (10:12 pm)
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So we have a 2001 Volvo 70 series - admittedly a very nice car.
 
The payments come out to $15,120 plus $2,000 down. That's actually not so bad considering interest is included in that. Probably something like a 12-13K selling price plus a bit higher interest thatn she'd probably like. So they charge her a lot more in interest - so pay it off quicker and avoid it.
 
Run the numbers - if it's actually 4 years, then she's not doing so bad, really. And, it really is a decent enough car.
 
Live and learn. It's not a total disaster by the looks of it.(14-16K is the typical dealer asking price at cars.com for a similar vehicle) Now, if it's five years or has some balloon payment or whatnot hidden... Then it's a whole other matter.
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Re: Seems fine to me... [plekto] by imidazol97
Jun 06, 2007 (4:30 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Jun 05, 2007 10:12 pm)

>2001 Volvo 70 series - admittedly a very nice car.
 
Perceptions of cars and how they linger once made intrigues me. I recall the Oldsmobile on top of the superstrong Volvo advertisements; turns out they reinforced the roofs. Several coworkers in that era had bought Volve for just that reason. That was before they became Ford-owned.
 
Just left friends' home near Nashville on Monday. Their neighbor left his car running in driveway to talk to the wife about their gazebo they just finished when he saw her out in it that afternoon. The Volvo wagon started smoking from the instrument panel while they were talking. Burned to the ground. Those nice cars can have defects like all. BTW, he's an attorney. Whom does he sue?
 
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I think the attorney talk in the ladies case on the forum here could go like this:
 
My client was given an oral agreement that she could return the car.
 
Talk to our lawyer.
 
She will be defaulting on the first payment because your dealership didn't follow through in good faith. We realize she may have signed away the return privileges by mistake.
 
Talk to our lawyer.
 
It will cost you in the financing with first payment default. Is there some compromise with a different car suitable at a fair cost that she will want to keep unlike the one promised here. The publicity would not be complimentary to your business
 
Let me see what we have available.
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Re: Seems fine to me... [imidazol97] by joel0622
Jun 06, 2007 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jun 06, 2007 4:30 am)

It will cost you in the financing with first payment default. Is there some compromise with a different car suitable at a fair cost that she will want to keep unlike the one promised here. The publicity would not be complimentary to your business.
Let me see what we have available

 
But the customer still ends up with a Repo in there bureau, and in the long run who really got hurt. Not the dealer, they can afford to write a check to pay off the loan and resell the car. The customer is now in a credit nightmare that will effect her for seven years. Try to get another car, a cell phone, a CC, hell you can't even get water turned on at your house with out a huge deposit.
  
  
 
In todays world you can't buckle every time some one threatens you with a lawyer. If you did you would live in the court room.
 
Besides chances are the customer signed an Arbitration Agreement and an arbitrator would here it first.
 
If she really, really thinks that she got the shaft then I would reccomend the BBB, especially if the dealer is a member.
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Re: Seems fine to me... [joel0622] by mikefm58
Jun 06, 2007 (7:11 am)
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Replying to: joel0622 (Jun 06, 2007 6:19 am)

Try to get another car, a cell phone, a CC, hell you can't even get water turned on at your house with out a huge deposit
 
And let's not forget about car insurance going up based on someones credit history.
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Re: joel0622 - Did she sign anything like that? [blackmba] by graphicguy
Jun 06, 2007 (8:08 am)
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Replying to: blackmba (Jun 05, 2007 9:44 am)

mba....sounds like she didn't read the contract. That's too bad. Unfortunately, whatever was said in the showroom, is only known by two parties....the dealer, and your sister.
 
Outside of that, the only thing anyone can go by is what the signed contract says. From what you've told us, that means the car is hers. Money changed hands and a finance contract is in place.
 
I'll assume she's nervous about the financial terms? Running the numbers you posted, it's not a bad deal. I'm not very familiar with Volvos, but they seem to be nice cars.
 
I've got a couple of questions....
 
-Does your sister just not like the car as much as she originally thought?
-Is she worried about the payments?
 
Reason for asking, she's going to have to step down quite a bit, both pricewise and "car-wise" to make a significant difference in the payments. As a rough guesstimate, every $1,000 that's financed translates into $25/month in payments, depending on the term length and interest rate. In short, to lower payments $100/month, she's going to have to get something that's $4,000-$5,000 less than what the Volvo costs.
 
Plus, I doubt seriously whether the dealership isn't going to penalize your sister to just take the car back. There's going to be some money that she's going to loose in the process....it could be a lot of money. Add that amount to whatever it is the dealership finds that's cheaper, and it may not translate into something that she can live with.
 
If there's something minor she doesn't like about the car, I'd tell her to live with it for a few years...and then trade for something else...when she's got some equity in the car.
 
If it's too big of a financial stretch for her, then I think she should be prepared to step down dramatically in the type and condition of the car she can live with.
 
Car buying isn't like buying a dress. You change your mind about the dress, you just take it back for a refund. A car? You don't like your purchase, it's either a big fight, or a financial setback to get out of it.
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Re: Seems fine to me... [imidazol97] by joe131
Jun 06, 2007 (11:41 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jun 06, 2007 4:30 am)

Whom does he sue?
 
That's really quite obvious. Sue the cigarette manufacturer. It has deep pockets and lots of people think it should be punished.
Never mind that the Volvo should have known that smoking would be hazardous to its health.

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