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Dealer Scam cont... by blackmba
Jun 05, 2007 (4:04 pm)
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Sorry for the lack of detail
 
It was a 2001 Volvo C70 with 40k miles on it. She called me when she was at the dealership and said that they offered her the vehicle w/ $2000 down payment and payments for $315/month. I asked her what the full asking price was for the vehicle, and she didn't even know. She had to go back and ask them so that she could tell me ($18k). I immediately told her to just walk away...and her response was "OK." Didn't want her making a purchase based off emotion rather than rationalization.
 
Now, did she walk away like her brother told her? Of course not! And now she's stuck with that payment and a car that she didn't necessarily want for the next 4 years. The dealership is possibly willing to exchange it for another, less expensive vehicle through THEIR dealership only (which is understandable). I'm sure some of the value will be knocked off, but hopefully she can work something out. I really wish that I could catch a flight out to L.A. to help her out (as I currently live in GA).
 
kiawah - She only kept the vehicle overnight, and tried to return it the following day like the salesman told her.
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Re: Dealer Scam cont... [blackmba] by blufz1
Jun 05, 2007 (4:11 pm)
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Replying to: blackmba (Jun 05, 2007 4:04 pm)

She needs an attorney to immediately write a letter to the dealer.
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Re: Dealer Scam cont... [blufz1] by joel0622
Jun 05, 2007 (5:36 pm)
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Replying to: blufz1 (Jun 05, 2007 4:11 pm)

She needs an attorney to immediately write a letter to the dealer.
 
Ya it will go something like this
 
Lawyer: You said she could bring it back
 
Dealer: Where does it say that. All we have is a contract she signed.
 
Lawyer: My client was given a verbal promise
 
Dealer: Where does it say that? All we have is the contract she signed.
 
Lawyer: Your Sales Person told her that she could bring it back if she does not like it>
 
Dealer: Where does it say that? All we have is the contract she signed.
 
I don't condone there action. If that is the whole story and what really happened then I feel bad for her. But she bought a car. If she does not know enough to get things in writing in any contract then she has just learned.
 
Car Dearlers, Plumbers, Accountants, Lawyers, Police Officer, Most real good, a few crooked as hell.
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Re: Dealer Scam cont... [joel0622] by joe131
Jun 05, 2007 (5:50 pm)
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Replying to: joel0622 (Jun 05, 2007 5:36 pm)

yep, gotta try the sting thing
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Re: Dealer Scam cont... [blackmba] by snakeweasel
Jun 05, 2007 (6:00 pm)
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Replying to: blackmba (Jun 05, 2007 4:04 pm)

Wait, $18K with $2K down for 4 years and a payment of $315 a month? Something isn't right are you sure its not 5 years?
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Re: Dealer Scam cont... [joel0622] by mikefm58
Jun 05, 2007 (6:38 pm)
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Replying to: joel0622 (Jun 05, 2007 5:36 pm)

Or it could go something like this since the buyer brought in a lawyer.
 
Lawyer: You said she could bring it back
  
Dealer: Talk to our lawyer
  
Lawyer: My client was given a verbal promise
  
Dealer: Talk to our lawyer.
  
Lawyer: Your Sales Person told her that she could bring it back if she does not like it>
  
Dealer: Talk to our lawyer.
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Seems fine to me... by plekto
Jun 05, 2007 (10:12 pm)
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So we have a 2001 Volvo 70 series - admittedly a very nice car.
 
The payments come out to $15,120 plus $2,000 down. That's actually not so bad considering interest is included in that. Probably something like a 12-13K selling price plus a bit higher interest thatn she'd probably like. So they charge her a lot more in interest - so pay it off quicker and avoid it.
 
Run the numbers - if it's actually 4 years, then she's not doing so bad, really. And, it really is a decent enough car.
 
Live and learn. It's not a total disaster by the looks of it.(14-16K is the typical dealer asking price at cars.com for a similar vehicle) Now, if it's five years or has some balloon payment or whatnot hidden... Then it's a whole other matter.
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Re: Seems fine to me... [plekto] by imidazol97
Jun 06, 2007 (4:30 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Jun 05, 2007 10:12 pm)

>2001 Volvo 70 series - admittedly a very nice car.
 
Perceptions of cars and how they linger once made intrigues me. I recall the Oldsmobile on top of the superstrong Volvo advertisements; turns out they reinforced the roofs. Several coworkers in that era had bought Volve for just that reason. That was before they became Ford-owned.
 
Just left friends' home near Nashville on Monday. Their neighbor left his car running in driveway to talk to the wife about their gazebo they just finished when he saw her out in it that afternoon. The Volvo wagon started smoking from the instrument panel while they were talking. Burned to the ground. Those nice cars can have defects like all. BTW, he's an attorney. Whom does he sue?
 
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I think the attorney talk in the ladies case on the forum here could go like this:
 
My client was given an oral agreement that she could return the car.
 
Talk to our lawyer.
 
She will be defaulting on the first payment because your dealership didn't follow through in good faith. We realize she may have signed away the return privileges by mistake.
 
Talk to our lawyer.
 
It will cost you in the financing with first payment default. Is there some compromise with a different car suitable at a fair cost that she will want to keep unlike the one promised here. The publicity would not be complimentary to your business
 
Let me see what we have available.
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Re: Seems fine to me... [imidazol97] by joel0622
Jun 06, 2007 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jun 06, 2007 4:30 am)

It will cost you in the financing with first payment default. Is there some compromise with a different car suitable at a fair cost that she will want to keep unlike the one promised here. The publicity would not be complimentary to your business.
Let me see what we have available

 
But the customer still ends up with a Repo in there bureau, and in the long run who really got hurt. Not the dealer, they can afford to write a check to pay off the loan and resell the car. The customer is now in a credit nightmare that will effect her for seven years. Try to get another car, a cell phone, a CC, hell you can't even get water turned on at your house with out a huge deposit.
  
  
 
In todays world you can't buckle every time some one threatens you with a lawyer. If you did you would live in the court room.
 
Besides chances are the customer signed an Arbitration Agreement and an arbitrator would here it first.
 
If she really, really thinks that she got the shaft then I would reccomend the BBB, especially if the dealer is a member.
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Re: Seems fine to me... [joel0622] by mikefm58
Jun 06, 2007 (7:11 am)
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Replying to: joel0622 (Jun 06, 2007 6:19 am)

Try to get another car, a cell phone, a CC, hell you can't even get water turned on at your house with out a huge deposit
 
And let's not forget about car insurance going up based on someones credit history.

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