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BMW X5, SUV
#2380 of 2444 Extra Padding?
Dec 03, 2012 (11:55 pm)
I would like some help. I'm in the process of negotiating for a 2013 X5 3.5i Premium. The numbers the dealer is using aren't matching what I see on the Edmunds True Market Value section. I would be ordering the car with the Convenience, Luxury Seating, Premium Sound, and Technology packages, plus running boards and BMW apps. They told me I could have the car for $500 over invoice. To me, that means the invoice price on the car, plus the invoice prices on the packages, plus $500. Is that the correct way of figuring it?
According to the Edmunds TMV, that should total $59,780 (including the $895 destination fee). If I add $500 to that, it totals $60,280. They are quoting me $61,090. Am I missing something, or are they adding almost $1000 somewhere? The MSRP after packages/options is $65,270. Is there anywhere else I can go to view what the invoice price on this car would be?
Thanks in advance for your help!
#2381 of 2444 2013 X5 Diesel - HELP
Dec 04, 2012 (1:11 am)
Newbie here... sorry for any redundancies. I currently own a 2011 x5 diesel (white exterior, oyster interior, premium package + running boards).
I am interested in purchasing a new x5 diesel due to the savings being offered. $4,500 eco credit, $1,500 holiday credit, and $750 loyalty credit. I drive roughly 15-17k miles a year, so a lease is probably not my best option. The x5 I just built online came out to be $64,645 with the Sport Activity Package, Premium Package, and running boards. Subtract the discounts ($6,750) and I have $57,895 which should include destination and handeling.
Do I have any wiggle room? I'm not sure what the market up is online? Fortunately/unfortunately my 2011 was a company car and this time it is on me, so the first go round I didn't pay as much attention to the details because it was being covered. Any other cost I should be aware of?
Lastly, my 2011 has 29,000 miles. I'm hoping to sell privately for $44-45k. BMW in my hometown says $40-41k is the best they could do. Any thoughts?
#2382 of 2444 Re: 2013 X5 Diesel - HELP [tarheel0303]
Dec 04, 2012 (4:03 am)
I answered you in the X5 lease forum.
#2383 of 2444 Re: Extra Padding? [toy4me]
Dec 04, 2012 (4:07 am)
Have your dealer show you their exact invoice. They are probably adding a few items that Edmunds does not include, which are legitimate costs up to a point. MACO and some regional fees added about $300-400 to the invoice cost on our vehicle. But $810 difference sounds like they are throwing in some other items. Take your Edmunds print out to them and have them put theirs side by side. My dealer sales manager did that and it made for a reasonable compromise.
#2384 of 2444 Re: Extra Padding? [habitat1]
Dec 06, 2012 (12:18 am)
Thank you for your reply. I spoke with the manager I'm dealing with and he explained that the pricing on Edmunds has not been updated with BMW's new pricing on their Convenience Package. Edmunds has it retailing at $3600, but BMW now has it on their website as $3875. The difference is that now they include the soft close doors, where they did not before. The invoice fee on that is now $3525, instead of Edmunds price of $3275. You were right about the MACO fee, which is BMW's advertising fee of $380 and he said is added to every car. The new price is $60410 + $500 = $60,910 as the final price (of $500 over invoice). I think it's a pretty good deal. Anyone have a different opinion?
Another dealer quoted me $300 over, but when I asked for a full quote their numbers are showing more than $500 over invoice. They also tried to stick in an extra $200 ($925) in the "bank fee" for a lease, which the BMW site has as $725. I know they're trying to make money, but I don't like being played or lied to!
#2385 of 2444 Re: Need help [habitat1]
Dec 07, 2012 (1:38 am)
Hi habitat1, thanks for your consistent contribution to this forum and I learnt a lot from your posts. I am in the market for a X5D and had been trying to get my local dealers offering me the price I arrive at using your formula but had little success. The lowest offer so far was still 2800 above that price and I didn't even bother negotiating with that guy...I will of course continue to get quotes from other dealers in the area (which may take a while because some dealers won't give any meaningful numbers in e-mails or over the phone), but any other suggestions/tips on negotiating?
Thanks a bunch.
#2386 of 2444 Re: Need help [lma9]
Dec 07, 2012 (3:56 am)
Where are you located?
#2387 of 2444 Re: Extra Padding? [toy4me]
Dec 07, 2012 (10:30 am)
If you are serious about buying an X5d, contact Nick Alexander BMW in Southern California. I bought my 2012 there almost 1 year ago and they gave it to me at over $10k below MSRP of $66,295 for a total out the door price of $61000!!!! Their pricing was unbeatable so if they can even get close to that kind of deal again it would be worth talking to them even if you have to ship across country for another $1200, so long as you save at least $1500 doing so it is worth the minor hassle... Call and speak directly with a sales manager or fleet sales/internet sales, DO NOT TALK TO A REGULAR SALESMAN, that usually amounts to time wasted...
#2388 of 2444 X5D price in DC area
Dec 07, 2012 (11:19 pm)
I was just priced a 2013 X5D for $54k OTD (including the holiday credit, eco credit, and USAA credit) to order and pick up at the Performance Center. The order includes:
luxury seating package
Seems like a good deal. What do you think?
Any packages/options I might need?
#2389 of 2444 Re: X5D price in DC area [novax5d]
Dec 08, 2012 (5:43 am)
Any packages/options I might need?
In my opinion, you have an oddball set of options for the following reasons:
(1) By combining the luxury seating package with the sport activity package, you are essentially paying for a seat upgrade twice. The luxury seating package is $2,100 whether or not you start with a base car or the sport seats you are already paying for in the SA package. You can add multi-contour seats to the SA package for a $900 upgrade. And leather comes with the premium package. At that point, the luxury seating package is reduced to ventilation and a vibrator.
(2) You are paying for $1,000 keyless entry as a stand alone option (absurdly overpriced, IMO).
(3) On the other hand, you are not taking the Premium Package, which includes keyless, Navigation, 4-zone climate, leather, etc. I don't believe I have ever seen an X5d without a premium package, so good luck on future resale.
(4) Third row seat: I assume you have tested/checked this out. It is the smallest, tightest 3rd row you can get in an SUV. Good for kids under about 4 feet tall, not much else.
It looks like your configuration would have an MSRP of $64,595.
My suggestion might be to consider:
SAP w/ multicontour option
This has a higher MSRP of $65,995 - $1,400 more. It doesn't give you front seat ventilation, which not available as a stand alone option. But it does give you navigation, with a back up camera, bluetooth/voice control, 4 zone climate control, rear sun shades, (valuable, if you are going to use the 2nd/ third row frequently), leather, garage door opener.
That would be an easy trade off for me, given that paying for the luxury seating package just to get ventilated seats isn't worth it AND, ventilated seats are not available with the Oyster interior. My wife was sick of (hot) black interiors and the oyster looks exceptional. Beige looks blah to me.
But, regardless of what you do....three thumbs up on Performance Delivery Center pick up. Good luck.