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#543 of 562 Re: why suggest something someone doesn't want [greeneyespsu]
Mar 19, 2009 (10:35 am)
16K for a CPO IS300 is a *tad* less money than an IS250.
But it's your choice I guess. Other people lurk here and read this as well I suspect, and so my advice stands. The IS250 isn't as good a vehicle as the one it tried to replace. And the 0-60 times are a lie as well - they abuse it on a test track by redlining it and dropping it out of neutral, then manually shifting the automatic to 2nd gear and leaving it there until they hit 60mph.(or selecting winter mode and starting in 2nd and doing nothing) Looks great on paper but nobody drives like this, ever.
The IS250 drove like every Toyota or GM sedan I've ever driven in that it requires you to flog it to get it to move. Quick transitions in comfort just don't happen, because it's lacking in torque and the gearing it set a mile long between gears.
They tend to stuff a smaller engine in a large sedan and make due via the transmission. 28-30mpg but even under full throttle, you can wind it out to over 60mph in 2nd gear. 3rd and 4th aren't even close to the power band even at 60-70mph. In fact, I once calculated the speed you'd have to achieve in a Camry in top gear to get the rated HP and it was nearly 140mph. In other words, 100% of the time in normal driving, you're only able to use 1/2 to 2/3 of the rated power due to gearing. Adding more gears to the automatic just exacerbates the problem unless they gear it properly. Toyota doesn't. BMW does.
Yes, it's "quieter and more refined", but only because the engine is always lugging along at 1/3 red line like a diesel. Just without a diesel's torque to back it up.
Now the IS350 is a better car than the IS300, but that's because they stuffed a bigger engine in it and added a sport package. That kind of makes it closer to a G35, but it's certainly not a small agile car. It felt more like a muscle car to me than anything else.
The only other small sedan that I would recommend would be the Subaru Impreza. It's small, quick, inexpensive, and a blast to drive. Of course, it's about the only small sport sedan on the market any more...
#544 of 562 Focus vs Mustang?
Aug 24, 2009 (12:03 am)
My nephew is about to get a new used car. He found two potentials- a 2000 Ford Mustang V6 and a 2004 Ford Focus SE. Both look to be in overall good shape. The Mustang as just over 80,000 miles and the Focus is around 85,000 miles. He thinks the Mustang would be more fun to own and drive, but the Focus is newer, gets a little better gas mileage, etc.
Oh and the Mustang is $5000 and the Focus is $5250, so there isn't much of a price difference.
What do you guys recommend or think would be the better buy?
#545 of 562 Re: Focus vs Mustang? [06stang]
Aug 24, 2009 (2:59 am)
Buy a HONDA!
He will be driving more, curse less, and always arrive at his destination with a smile!
#546 of 562 Re: Focus vs Mustang? [cwalti]
Aug 24, 2009 (3:20 am)
"...Buy a HONDA..."
That's right because as we all know, Hondas never break down, need no maintence and don't even require gas to make them go.
As to answering the OP REAL question--The Mustang would be more fun to drive from a psychological standpoint but would be more likely to have been abused. The Focus would be more reliable.
#547 of 562 Re: Focus vs Mustang? [06stang]
Aug 24, 2009 (4:50 am)
A couple of things to consider ...
1) Where does your nephew live? The Mustang, as you know, is RWD, while the Focus is FWD .. better for areas that see bad weather.
2) I wouldn't necessarily assume that the Mustang has been "abused". A V6 Mustang may have been owned by the proverbial "secretary" and been babied its whole life. Besides, the 'Stang has averaged about 8K miles per year, the Focus 17K.
3) Utility .. the Mustang has a relatively small trunk, while the Focus, depending on the body style, has either a slightly larger trunk (with fold down rear seats) or a hatchback.
4) Fun to drive .. I owned an '03 Focus ZX5 and it was a blast to drive; have rented Mustangs and found them fun, but in a different way.
At the end of the day, it's all about what your nephew wants. My son recently bought a '98 Mustang V6 with about 80K on the clock and he (and everyone else) tells me it's in fantastic condition.
I'd have both cars checked out by a competent mechanic before making a decision.
#548 of 562 Re: Focus vs Mustang? [06stang]
Aug 24, 2009 (7:29 am)
In addition to what others have said, I'd want to check the cost of insurance as well.
#549 of 562 Re: Focus vs Mustang? [michaell]
Aug 24, 2009 (10:49 am)
A 2007 V6 Mustang (drop top) that I rented a couple of years ago sounded and drove like a tractor - heavy, loud and unrefined.
#550 of 562 Re: Focus vs Mustang? [tallman1]
Aug 25, 2009 (9:14 am)
When you can afford the vehicle, you can afford the insurance. Just buy high deductibles on Physical Damage and High Limits of Liability.
#551 of 562 Moving to US, need help with car
Sep 11, 2009 (11:05 pm)
I'm an Australian moving to the US in a month and I will need to buy a car fairly quickly, so I'm trying to get a shortlist together. I currently drive a 2004 RAV4 which has been perfect but I'd like to try something different.
What I'm looking for: used mid-size sedan/coupe or small to mid-size SUV. Something with a good reputation for reliability, preferably also under warranty. I don't have a preference for 4 or 6 cyl., as long as it doesn't struggle when passing or driving up hills. I will likely be coming back in 3-4 years, so good resale value is a plus, as is low insurance and maintenance costs . Extras such as leather, sunroof, climate control not required but also would be a bonus. It will be used for a very short daily commute as well as shopping and the odd road trip so fuel economy is less important, but 20 MPG or better would be ideal.
Budget is around $17,000
The list I have so far:
2007/2008 Nissan Altima 2.5L
2009 Hyunai Sonata 2.4L (poor resale?)
2008 Ford Fusion V6
2008 Saturn Aura V6
2007 Honda Accord coupe
2008 VW Jetta (reliability concerns?)
2008 Mazda 6
2008 Nissan Rogue
2007 Mazda CX-7 (turbo engine a concern?)
2007 Hyundai Santa Fe (poor resale?)
2006 Nissan Murano (would be out of warranty) (too big for a single twentysomething?)
What do you think? This list is WAY too long, I need help to cut it down. The sensible part of me says get a sedan but I think I really want an SUV.
Any advice is much appreciated! Thanks
#552 of 562 Re: Moving to US, need help with car [newgirl2]
Sep 12, 2009 (6:30 am)
Regarding the Hyundais in your list, the poor resale may work in your favor. What I mean is that the biggest hit on depreciation will occur during the first couple of years after the car was bought new. If you look at used cars a couple of years old (make that Sonata a 2007, for instance), the worst of the depreciation is behind you so you should be able to get a good deal. This applies to all vehicles, really, but brands that tend to have worse resale value take the biggest hit.
I don't think any of the vehicles in your list are poor choices. You might restrict your purchase decision to vehicles that still have some manufacturer warranty for some added peace of mind. You might also consider a Mitsu Outlander SUV from 2007 or so. I'm starting to enter the small SUV market and liked the Outlander a fair bit more than the Santa Fe.
What part of the US will you be relocating to? Is it to the north, i.e. an area where winters are more severe (snow, cold) or the south where having strong air conditioning is of value? Hilly or mountainous (where an AWD SUV might help)?