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Replying to: jaxs1 (Apr 28, 2008 7:22 pm) This link is to a video - and yes, it's sponsored by Subaru, but the hill climb test doesn't lie. Only something with 4WD is going to actually be useful in dirt and snow. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4999142340359932162&hl=en This second one is from Europe. That's a pretty typical dirt road by the looks of it. You'd see this in half of the U.S. once you left the interstate in winter. http://www.leftlanenews.com/video-volvo-vs-subaru-awd.html Solid engineering beats fancy marketing and tech-toys. Note - you could also get a Tacoma or 4Runner with 4WD. I have an older 4Runner and it's the real deal. - Climb over rocks and go through a foot of mud... 
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Replying to: plekto (Apr 29, 2008 10:35 am)
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Replying to: aredfield (May 01, 2008 7:07 am)
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Replying to: aredfield (May 05, 2008 5:25 am) Yep; the same. Either is a great choice...
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Replying to: tifighter (May 05, 2008 3:33 pm) But now I am trying to sort out the stability control and traction control business, because those also were mentioned to me as important. Does an AWD vehicle automatically have stability and traction control? Does it look like the AWD Subarus have stability and traction control? I have been on their website and it's not clear to me. thanks everyone for all the help
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Replying to: aredfield (May 08, 2008 6:38 am) Stability control is essentially nanny-ware that tries to override you when it thinks you are getting too out of hand with your driving. 100% of Subaru owners that I know who race them turn this off all of the time, since it's largely not needed and intrudes.(or just don't order it at all) Full time AWD with full time traction control at all four wheels pretty much makes the stability control moot. Plus, the limits on a Subaru are... well, look at rally racing. If they are driving that hard and don't need/want stability control, the limits are so far above typical driving in what the car can handle that you're better off going to racing school and getting better skills in the first place than relying on nanny-ware.
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Replying to: plekto (May 08, 2008 10:23 am) |
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Replying to: plekto (May 08, 2008 10:23 am) Stability control is a good thing even if it is a little on the aggressive side it is a good thing.
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(hate how it makes me put a title in. but whatever..) I didn't notice much difference in real options and equipment between the Civic and the 3, at least on the fully loaded models. Slight things here and there, of course, but they are very close cousins as opposed to something like a VW which is on another entire planet, or a Chevy which might as well be someone out in the Ort Cloud. The smart money is on the less expensive yet similar vehicle, of course. Mazdas are very solid cars. |
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Replying to: british_rover (May 08, 2008 11:53 am) thank you for the informative replies. It was terrific to get a slight disagreement, as it helps me out. I will disappoint plekto by saying, when it comes to motor vehicles, I can use all the nannying I can get. So, I still have a few questions: Did I understand correctly that traction control is part of AWD and if the Subaru I get has AWD, then I have traction control? Is that correct? Did I also understand correctly that stability control is not part of AWD? So, how can I tell if a Subaru (or any car) has Stability Control? When I look at the Subaru website, I am not seeing it listed.
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