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Re: making a statement? [tiff_c]
by dmathews3
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May 04, 2009 (2:43 am)
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Replying to: tiff_c (May 03, 2009 10:46 pm)
SeemsToyota has been offering some pretty good discounts too. I believe Caddy and Buick do offer 4 yr everything warranty and all of GM offers 5/100 powertrain in which T don't/can't. There seems to be a lot of complaining on all the other T sites with problems on trucks, Camrys etc. I can remember fa couple years ago here there was also a bit of complaining going on with things wrong like the displays going bad and the huge price to replace. I think all cars have problems but it is how the dealers/manufacturers treat you and from what I have read on the T sites they don't treat customers very well on warranty items.
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- #7434 of 7481
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Re: making a statement? [dmathews3]
by wvgasguy
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May 04, 2009 (3:50 am)
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Replying to: dmathews3 (May 04, 2009 2:43 am)
Everyone is discounting right now. In a market with limited buyers they will do all they can to take their share. Reality for Toyota is that when a CTS and STS are discounted $10K and priced with a loaded Camry rather than a Lexus, then they have a problem. It used to be they would ignore that, they still got their market share. But really the problem is with the CTS and GM. Selling cars at a loss cannot be made up on volume sales. If GM comes out with the CTS at pricing they had in January I may indeed forget about the 2010 Prius for a while. Fitzmall had a CTS for $32K back then if you qualified for the various discounts. I didn't then, I do now (it had extra money for terminating leases).
No one would offer a warranty at all if they didn't have to in order to sell their cars. The longest warranties are offered by companies where the perception (right or wrong) is that the car will be expensive to maintain or won't last long.
I've never bought an extended warranty on a Toyota because whatever glitches they have are usually worked out early. The 36,000 to 75,000 mile time frame is typically troublefree for most.
Interesting on the Caddy. I've been looking at the CTS and if they have a 4yr bumper to bumper warranty they should advertise that more as that is a selling feature on a car with a lot of electronic's that I don't trust longterm. I'll have to look into that.
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- #7435 of 7481
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Re: making a statement? [dmathews3]
by wvgasguy
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May 04, 2009 (3:52 am)
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Replying to: dmathews3 (May 04, 2009 2:43 am)
and BTW, the two Toyota Dealerships I have dealt with were great. So have the two Ford dealerships where I have purchased as well. may be the difference in small town America and Metropolitan areas. The dealers where I purchase know me by name when I stop in to browse.
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- #7436 of 7481
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Re: making a statement? [wvgasguy]
by rick294
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May 04, 2009 (2:53 pm)
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Replying to: wvgasguy (May 04, 2009 3:50 am)
The CTS is a sharp looker, but I wouldn't buy any car or truck without first checking the annual auto issue (April) of Consumer Reports. CR compiles owner comments during their annual survey and rates them accordingly. GM stuff that's actually made by GM is not rated very well. As a matter of fact, absolutely nothing from Chrysler is recommended by CR! If a person wants luxury, buy a Lexus. If you want luxury with a poor reliability record, but with a long warranty, and enjoy taking the vehicle in for warranty work on a regular basis, pick a Cadillac or Lincoln. Then try unloading them when gas shoots up to the sky once again.
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- #7437 of 7481
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Re: making a statement? [rick294]
by wvgasguy
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May 04, 2009 (3:40 pm)
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Replying to: rick294 (May 04, 2009 2:53 pm)
I have been consider waiting for the Lexus 250h. Don't think the ES is worth much of a premium over the Camry and the Lexus I would like is over $50K. More then I want to spend to have a third vehicle. I like the styling of the 250h over the Prius but I'm expecting it to be a steep premium and since it has the Camry engine it's probably going to be more like a 40 mpg avg. Thus I'm still comparing the 2010 Prius and the FFH.
The CTS at $32K though would sway my decision. As a third vehicle it would not be the daily driver and reliability is not as big a concern as long as GM still is making Cadillac's and the warranty is still intact. If I get the Prius it will be the "go to" car for everyday driving.
I like the idea of having at least 1 economy car though so it will take something big to push me in a different direction.
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- #7438 of 7481
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Re: making a statement? [rick294]
by dmathews3
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May 05, 2009 (2:49 am)
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Replying to: rick294 (May 04, 2009 2:53 pm)
My wife has a STS which has been very relieable going on 3 years with only one trip to the dealer for repairs and that was the Navagation system which is made by a German company and 1/2 owned by Toyota which uses the same system in the Lexus. So is the Caddy to be blamed for a Toyota problem. So that is how toyota gets their good rep by selling junk to GM.
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- #7439 of 7481
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Re: making a statement? [dmathews3]
by stevegold
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May 05, 2009 (4:34 am)
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Replying to: dmathews3 (May 05, 2009 2:49 am)
The navigation system in my 2004 Prius was made by Danso which I believe is an Australian company. I did have to have the screen replaced (it went blank) under warrantee after a year or two. No problems since then.
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- #7440 of 7481
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Re: making a statement? [stevegold]
by tiff_c
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May 05, 2009 (5:54 am)
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Replying to: stevegold (May 05, 2009 4:34 am)
The navigation system in my 2004 Prius was made by Danso which I believe is an Australian company. I did have to have the screen replaced (it went blank) under warrantee after a year or two. No problems since then.
It's Nippon Denso actually and it's a Japanese manufacturer. They make Nav units for quite a few companies.
Better off buying a portable GPS, much cheaper and more easily upgraded or replaced.
If a built in Nav unit breaks, it's no big deal as long as it's under warranty. If it's not... you're screwed!
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Re: making a statement? [tiff_c]
by wvgasguy
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May 05, 2009 (6:09 am)
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Replying to: tiff_c (May 05, 2009 5:54 am)
Well, all things considered, if the NAV in the Prius is like the Camry Hybrids, it's not much of a navigation tool. Adequate, but not as easy to use or up to date as the garmins. It has the advantage of a large screen though for those of us 50+ who seem to be the Camry target. However I seldom used the NAV screen. I would have paid the price of the NAV on the TCH just for the various energy screens. Since this was my first "boring" car after years of driving something I felt affection for, the energy screens gave me something to like at first sight on the TCH. After I got to know her better it was love. She was no longer a wallflower to me.
I really don't think I would have developed a sense of how to utilize the hybrid system adequately without the energy screens. I reset it just about every trip, short or long, and then learned how to approach each trip to game the system. It actually made driving fun, even when driving slower than others.
As far as reliability on cars, I like the reliability of Toyota's. But I'm not really down on other brands, except for Audi, Subaru and Chrysler, of which I figured getting burned once was enough. I've owned a little bit of everything. I even got burned on the Nissan 350Z and the alignment issues but I find myself looking at the 370Z and wondering if I should give them a second chance. Perhaps later when I retire I'll want a sports car again, or at least a sporting car (I really do miss the Infiniti FX45_wish it got better milage)
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Re: Breaks my heart [kdhspyder]
by rick294
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May 05, 2009 (8:14 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (May 02, 2009 5:32 am)
Not my intention to be rude, thoughtless or a jerk. Just going on what I've read or heard from reliable sources (as to amount of oil we could go after). Current politics from the White House says environment is first, American economy is less important. I don't care to go any deeper with the political talk. I might be the only Conservative on earth that owns a Prius, but so be it. I have a lot of concern and respect for the earth I live on; I just don't bow down to it as so many are inclined to do.
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