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It just breaks my heart that all of our own domestic reserves will stay in the ground, untouched during this current administration. And all for purely political reasons. We have considerably more available oil than even Saudi Arabia and the others, but it won't be tapped. The enviros are part of Obama's support group. His energy "czar" is on record as having stated that he (the czar) is in favor of $6 or $8 per gallon gasoline because it will curtail a lot of vehicle use "which contributes to air pollution". Well, yes it does. Never mind that it would destroy what's left of the American economy. That's not the really important issue. I love our Prius. Even if gas prices go absolutely over the cliff, we would still have at least some ability to get around. It would, however, pretty much destroy America. Almost as though that was what the whole idea was??
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Replying to: rick294 (May 01, 2009 7:46 pm) All our 'easy oil' is gone or near gone. The low-lying fruit has all been picked. Bush's Energy Task Force reported this in summer 2007. You can now get down off your high horse. It's supposed to rain today and golf is cancelled..that is not Obama's fault..even tho the local GOP already has a press release out stating that very fact.
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To my shock I received my policy from my insurance carrier and found out that full coverage on a Prius is $1004.60 per year and $760.30 per year for a Lexus RX330. I called my rep and he said that the Prius would cost more to repair than a Lexus and has proven to sustain more damage. After all the glowing safety reports from the Prius crowd on this site, I was shocked.
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Replying to: oldsarg (May 02, 2009 6:11 am) Your Lexus is several years old also. How old/new is the Prius? |
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Replying to: rick294 (May 01, 2009 1:30 pm) And no, I don't think Ben Stein has the scientific background to assess whether or not the planet's mechanisms to cope with CO2 can react fast enough to mitigate the current rapid rise in that green house gas. To say nothing of other naturally occurring green house gases, like Methane, that are also rising due to humans. Glad you enjoy your Prius. Hope you aren't teaching your kids that Darwinism led to the Holocaust per Ben Stein.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Apr 28, 2009 8:44 am) you actually graduated from college?
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Replying to: acar1 (May 02, 2009 9:37 am)
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Replying to: wvgasguy (May 02, 2009 1:09 pm)  Ya think? 'But the sales guy told me everything was pushbutton, even the 4WD'. Wait, I was the sales guy. Oh yeah that's right I sold it to myself [ acid reaction from the 60's ]. |
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Replying to: tiff_c (May 01, 2009 12:11 pm) Actually I never mentioned him in my posting. However after just watching the news it does seem to me that rather than give money to Chrysler all he would have needed to do was come out and endorse Chrysler and the masses that are watching every move he makes and are simpy ga-ga over everything he does would buy a Chrysler. That would have saved them and not cost me anything. It does bother me that there is a lot of Anti-"Foreign" auto talk going on and as far as I'm concerned the Ford Fusion Hybrid is the only example of Detroit trying to help the environmental problems that the Political Left are touting and the dependance on foreign oil issues the Political Right is concerned about. Unfortunately both sides are still buying gas guzzlers. But all the talk has to hurt Toyota Prius, Camry Hybrid and Highlander Hybrid some, if not in sales then at least in public acceptance. The "average" Joe thinks hybrids are hyped. I just don't get it. I'm driving an SUV that gets 25 mpg. I had a car that averaged 37+ and am looking at one that should give me 50+ in the Prius. Even the "average" Joe should see that Toyota is designing a wide range of vehicles that as as good as you can get right now. They are so far ahead of the curve it's funny to compare them to anyone else. IF they would just make their cars somewhat more flashy and handle a tad better then most of the critism would have to disappear. Seriously what would it cost to make the camry Hybrid have just a little better suspension? Personally I thought the new camry is a good looking car and the people I hear critizing the looks now look like obvious Toyota haters and not really judging the car on its looks. The Prius is a little funky looking but the 2010 is crossing the threshold of something I wouldn't be embarrased to be in  The Highlander Hybrid is comfortable, has a great second row seat and is very versitile. Don't expect me to buy American until they offer me acceptable options to Toyota.
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Replying to: wvgasguy (May 03, 2009 6:34 am) Well hybrids are hyped... to the limit! it's what the marketing companies do. Doesn't matter what company. The Big 3 are dinosaurs. Slow to move and react and it takes them an ice age or two before they can alter their plans. There is a reason there are no dinosaurs left. GM can't make a car that can compete with Honda or Toyota, period. If they could have they would have done so... or would they? They make great small cars in Europe and yet these are cars that will never come to the US. I have no sympathy for any car company that could bring over small efficient cars and refuses to do so. As far as Fiat and Chrysler. I guess everyone has forgotten that Fiat = Fix It Again Tony. Fiat made a lot of crap cars and died in the US market as a result. Along with Triumph, MG, Renault, Peugeot and a whole bunch of others. Americans vote with their wallets. The Big 3 holding off on bringing over those small cars doesn't seem to have helped them any. IF they would just make their cars somewhat more flashy and handle a tad better then most of the criticism would have to disappear. Seriously what would it cost to make the camry Hybrid have just a little better suspension? Personally I thought the new camry is a good looking car and the people I hear critizing the looks now look like obvious Toyota haters and not really judging the car on its looks. The Prius is a little funky looking but the 2010 is crossing the threshold of something I wouldn't be embarrassed to be in The Highlander Hybrid is comfortable, has a great second row seat and is very versatile. I don't see why a hybrid or a diesel or any fuel efficient car can't be fun to drive. The Camry is a no brainer. Toyota wants it to have a soft suspension to steal older folks away from Buick.  The Accord is much tighter and yet I know people who just hate that sporty feel in their appliance. They want a land yacht that floats down the road, no bumps no nothing. Kinda like the Buick Electras of old. I think most manufacturers have no idea what people want so they stick with whatever sells. For certain the Camry sells to people who like that isolationist ride. I can't see why they can't make sporty and fuel efficient cars but look at a Mazda Miata, it only gets about 25 mpg combined! Why is that? It's only 167 hp! Sadly car makers use focus groups and make generic decisions that will appeal to the most people. Toyota and Honda do not take risks per se'. GM and Ford couldn't come up with a new idea to save their corporate butts and Chrysler has been on the ropes for decades. Vote with your wallet, buy cars you like not just because of where they were built.
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