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Re: BIG Prius Mileage Difference: Gas with NO ethanol [dkreller] by rick294
May 01, 2009 (1:30 pm)
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Replying to: dkreller (May 01, 2009 9:00 am)

dkreller: nothing I would post here would agree with anything whatsoever you have posted here, so I won't get into that. (Much as I would dearly love to). Having said that, wvgasguy and I are likely out of the same mold, for what it's worth. Yes, the climate does seem to be changing - just like it has in both directions for eons. I do not believe mankind has anything whatsoever to do with it, however. I also do not believe that carbon dioxide is a pollutant (of all things). Hey, I know...we could rid ourselves of a lot of it by cutting down all the trees. They give it off all night long. For my part, I drive an 08 Prius, frankly, because of ONLY two things: 1) I like getting wonderful gas mileage, and 2) I really like Toyotas and their quality reputation. I do not busy myself trying to "save the planet" or "save the whales" or any of that sort of thing. The earth is not my god (small 'g'). The environment isn't either. Nor is "science". And my concrete faith is hardly 'unsubstantiated' - quite the opposite. You should rent or buy the movie, "Expelled. No Intelligence Wanted"
Ben Stein is quite good in it. And no, he is not a raving "religious right" type as you were wont to tag me with. And that's all I have to say about this other-than-Prius topic.
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Re: Prius: Statement or Rationality? [dkreller] by wvgasguy
May 01, 2009 (1:35 pm)
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Replying to: dkreller (May 01, 2009 11:23 am)

I'm an Engineer by education and training and though I have been a car nut for as far back as I can remember. I found that chasing horsepower is futile as they always come out with something bigger each year. I was concerned as I went to the "boring" Camry that I would indeed regret it. However I found the challenge of trying to achieve maximum FE every time out was fun (in its own way). The nav system energy screens kept me engaged in the process.
 
Now I'm spoiled. I look at cars that get 20 city / 28 highway and I don't think that's good enough. I never noticed before because I would never have driven any economy cars but there are not any decent cars that get 30+ mpg on average. High highway EPA estimates look good on advertisements but I have never averaged much more than 10% over the city estimate so unless you have something like a hybrid where the city milage is more than the highway milage I don't think they would give me high overall averages. Even diesel won't give me the average I desire. (I had a BMW diesel in 1985 just for the novelty of it).
 
My heart has been looking at the CTS and Pontiac G8 GXP and I like the new Camaro and 370Z. But, I've been telling my friends at work and church to be prepared for tough times and while I can afford high priced gasoline, I think I need to walk the talk. The enemy we fight do not mind living in caves without electricity. They could care less about killing their own countrymen either. The oil producing nations, many of whom support terrorist, should they be willing to cut their own financial piggybank, can bring the capitalized world to its knees overnight.
 
One person cannot change all that. But one person can do their part. It's so easy to say the problem is too big and just ignore it. I decided I couldn't do that anymore.
 
The Ford Fusion Hybrid, The Camry Hybrid and the Prius are the only cars I have on my list right now. The TCH is a bargan right now, the Fusion is fresh and more comfortable than the Camry (at least in the front seat) and the new Prius seems like a good compromise in size and utility with excellent FE. Throw in a few electrical goodies and I can even stay interested. Maybe enough that I won't keep turning my head every time a CTS passes me.
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Re: Prius: Statement or Rationality? [wvgasguy] by rick294
May 01, 2009 (2:55 pm)
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Replying to: wvgasguy (May 01, 2009 1:35 pm)

Of course, there IS another consideration that should be made concerning the CTS (which I think is pretty cool, too btw) - and that is the fact that GM is in pretty hot water right now, and ... well - who knows? - are they going to be around in the future? Hard to say, but an orphan car could be a problem to sell later on. Just a thought. I agree with your message content.
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Re: BIG Prius Mileage Difference: Gas with NO ethanol [dkreller] by rick294
May 01, 2009 (2:57 pm)
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Replying to: dkreller (Apr 30, 2009 8:21 am)

In Oregon, we have no choice. Ethanol in everything all year around. It cut about 4 mpg from my 08 Prius, immediately.
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Re: Prius: Statement or Rationality? [rick294] by dmathews3
May 01, 2009 (5:45 pm)
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Replying to: rick294 (May 01, 2009 2:55 pm)

Don't worry GM will be around for a long time just a whole lot lighter. Do you realize what would happen to this country if Gm and Chrysler fail. Chrysler stated the other day on the news that one in every 10 people depend on Chrysler for a job in the U.S. That means the local bar, corner store, etc. get Chrysler money somehow if not from suppliers or dealers then from employees or if a warm weather city it could be Chrysler retired. Just think then what GM must input into the econ. In March GM outsold Toyota by over 20K vehicles so someone likes their cars. Anyway for me I'd go with the CTS as with 2 cars a motorhome and motocycle each one gets about 10K a year put on them. So at $2 a gal say the CTS gets 25mpg and the Prius gets 50. The CTS in my book would burn 400 gal. of gas to 200 for the Prius. So the extra 200 gal costs me $400 a year or about $7.70. At $4 per gal it costs me $800 or less than $15 a week. I'll take the CTS over the Prius anytime and as far as the people overseas living in caves etc. they have been fighting for thousands of years and I bet they fight for another 2K years so I'm not going to drive a small car as it isn't going to do a bit of good and plus at 6'4" I need legroom. Oh one more thing I have no desire to get a CTS if thats what you all think.
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Re: Prius: Statement or Rationality? [dmathews3] by wvgasguy
May 01, 2009 (6:16 pm)
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Replying to: dmathews3 (May 01, 2009 5:45 pm)

far as the people overseas living in caves etc. they have been fighting for thousands of years and I bet they fight for another 2K years so I'm not going to drive a small car as it isn't going to do a bit of good
 
True, and they will continue. But on 9-11 they brought the fight to us
 
If 1 in 10 depend on Chrysler for our jobs then the other 9 must depend on Ford and GM. I really doubt that all of us would not have jobs if the Big 3 went away (not that I want them to)
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Breaks my heart by rick294
May 01, 2009 (7:46 pm)
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It just breaks my heart that all of our own domestic reserves will stay in the ground, untouched during this current administration. And all for purely political reasons. We have considerably more available oil than even Saudi Arabia and the others, but it won't be tapped. The enviros are part of Obama's support group. His energy "czar" is on record as having stated that he (the czar) is in favor of $6 or $8 per gallon gasoline because it will curtail a lot of vehicle use "which contributes to air pollution".
Well, yes it does. Never mind that it would destroy what's left of the American economy. That's not the really important issue. I love our Prius. Even if gas prices go absolutely over the cliff, we would still have at least some ability to get around. It would, however, pretty much destroy America. Almost as though that was what the whole idea was??
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Re: Breaks my heart [rick294] by kdhspyder
May 02, 2009 (5:32 am)
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Replying to: rick294 (May 01, 2009 7:46 pm)

Sorry this is not accurate. We do not have more reserves than anyone. Canada has far more and it's currently being mined. But.... it needs the price of oil to rise to near $75-90 / bbl in order to make it worthwhile to work the tar sand.
 
All our 'easy oil' is gone or near gone. The low-lying fruit has all been picked. Bush's Energy Task Force reported this in summer 2007. You can now get down off your high horse.
 
It's supposed to rain today and golf is cancelled..that is not Obama's fault..even tho the local GOP already has a press release out stating that very fact.
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Insurance More for Prius by oldsarg
May 02, 2009 (6:11 am)
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To my shock I received my policy from my insurance carrier and found out that full coverage on a Prius is $1004.60 per year and $760.30 per year for a Lexus RX330. I called my rep and he said that the Prius would cost more to repair than a Lexus and has proven to sustain more damage. After all the glowing safety reports from the Prius crowd on this site, I was shocked.
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Re: Insurance More for Prius [oldsarg] by kdhspyder
May 02, 2009 (8:19 am)
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Replying to: oldsarg (May 02, 2009 6:11 am)

Safety and damage repair are two completely different issues with the insurance companies. Yes both concern accidents but vehicles are intentionally designed to collapse around the passenger cabin deflecting the effects of a crash around the occupants in order to keep them safe.
 
Your Lexus is several years old also. How old/new is the Prius?

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