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Replying to: dmathews3 (May 01, 2009 2:58 am) You are fortunate to be able to buy real gas. We get about 4-5 mpg less due to ethanol and then in the winter another 3-4 mpg. A Honda Fit Sport should do better than 28 mpg combined in the winter and that was the best we could get. We are up to 34 mpg combined now. |
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Replying to: dkreller (Apr 30, 2009 8:21 am)
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Replying to: rick294 (May 01, 2009 8:09 am) You are welcome to your opinion, just as I am mine. I have no problem discussing it. What I see is that this administration has already made several concrete changes in environmental policy. As an environmental scientist myself, I see a fairly significant change in the climate in this country. Environmental education and environmental research have been stimulated as well in addition to the policy changes. The change in climate is what really matters in my opinion. A lot of changes will follow, now that the discussion has matured. Of course dyed in the wool republicans, especially the religious right, won't like this guy no matter what he does, due to their adherence to unsubstantiated dogma and their incapability to weigh scientific evidence. This guy is not perfect, but he is a lot better than the last few guys in that office. He has intellectual humility, and he uses reason. I feel like it is okay once again, for the first time in a long time in this country, to actually think rationally. Let's a) watch him carefully and get involved in the debate and help positive concrete change happen and b) work together. Meet you in the middle, at the NO ethanol gas station, okay Rick? Feel free to elaborate on your reservations about Obama. I am very interested in learning more. Cheers, Dave |
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Replying to: dkreller (May 01, 2009 9:00 am) I'm one of those. I've driven a TCH and now am in a HH. Plan to buy a 2010 Prius but the more I read the less I am inclinded. It seems like driving a Prius, more so than any other hybrid, is all about making a statement. Mostly statements I don't agree with, nor do I believe it is scientific fact (there are other forums for that discussion). Is it possible to own a Prius and still believe we should be drilling offshore, that whales are good eatin', that Ice melts reguardless of climate change. Heck, I don't want it to get cold enough to keep the ice frozen. But then again, what do I know, I'm just a knuckle dragging religious right capitalist republican. |
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Replying to: dkreller (Apr 30, 2009 8:21 am) |
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If driving a Prius is all about 'making a statement', what is driving a HH about? There is a glaring failure in your post to justify your position. Great discussing with you. Nothing like your type to shut down discussion. I wouldn't mind having more friends who are in your political fold, the problem is that they insist on shutting down discussions as soon as it might get interesting and as soon as they are asked to justify their position. I am not saying I hate you or your family, or everyone in your church, I am just trying to debate some ideas. There is a difference between people and ideas. The debate on religion is one I know more about than offshore drilling. If you are really a deep thinking and independently-minded person, have you really thought through the evidence for and against that position? Is everyone who doesn't see things your way 'out to get you'? Well, this was about ethanol in gasoline, but clearly this has gone off in a different direction.
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Replying to: dkreller (May 01, 2009 10:02 am) I drive a hybrid because it allows me to purchase less foreign oil. That's it, that's the only reason. But as much as I like to achieve that end, I don't want to raise food prices and starve people in developing countries by taking our corn and turning it into fuel. There is too much of our own oil in the ground and off shore to be doing that. As for the rest of your comments I don't even see the need to go there on this forum. Actually there is a forum on global warming that you would enjoy. They love to What I have noted though, looking through these posts is that Prius, more so than any other hybrid, seem to attract tree huggers, global warming alarmist, SUV hating, left wing- non-religious people. I'm left wondering then just how comfortable I would be driving one. I really like the idea of 50 mpg but that's it. That's all there is to it.
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Hi wvgasguy, I drive a Prius for several reasons. I used to live in the Great Lakes region where air quality can be a real problem, and I love driving a car w/ very low emissions. I also teach environmental chemistry and about air pollution, so I like not being hypocritical about the emissions of my own vehicle and smog. I am married to a medical professional who knows the statistics about the effects of air pollution on health. It really bothers me when I have to endure the emissions of other folk's poorly maintained very inefficient vehicles. I don't want to bother anybody else or affect anyone else's health by my driving. Also, I am aware that we are going to run out of oil in the foreseeable future. Exactly when things are going to get tight is debatable, but I think it is starting to happen. I will probably switch my car to a plug-in as soon as it is economical to do so. I agree with you, it is good to help us move away from dependence on foreign sources of oil. Also, I am glad to support modern vehicles. In my eyes, 98% of the vehicles on the road are dinosaurs. I know that statement right there is going to upset a lot of folks, but we have just been allowing ourselves to keep producing and driving very inefficient and dirty vehicles. Hybrids are not perfect, I'll agree, but today's hybrids are a step in the right direction. Battery technology is improving at a good rate right now and in a few years the benefits of better batteries are going to hit the market. In short another reason I like driving a hybrid is that I am a supporter of cars getting cleaner and more efficient. It's a matter of perspective, and who you end up talking to. Perhaps there have been extreme alarmists and tree huggers on here but the Prius drivers I have met have been thoughtful and intelligent people. Sure there are probably some whackos driving Prii, but don't blame that on the car! David ps. I am sorry to have helped an discussion that is not appropriate to this forum get started here.
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Replying to: wvgasguy (May 01, 2009 10:24 am) What I have noted though, looking through these posts is that Prius, more so than any other hybrid, seem to attract tree huggers, global warming alarmist, SUV hating, left wing- non-religious people. I'm left wondering then just how comfortable I would be driving one. I really like the idea of 50 mpg but that's it. That's all there is to it. Well my wife and I will be buying a 2010 Prius and believe me we don't hug trees. We also don't eat whales. I seriously doubt that any farmers will be contributing to global starvation by selling ethanol. Oh and I am 100% opposed to ethanol being used in gasoline. I thin farmers being paid to not grow food is stupid. The only political statement I want to make with my car is that I am tired of spending far too much money on gas. We drive a lot and the Prius will cut down on our fuel usage which will allow us to spend more money on other things. Lots of lesbians buy the Subaru Forester but that doesn't make everyone who drives one a lesbian. Sure environmental nut jobs will rally around the Prius until something greener comes along. Maybe they will migrate to the Chevy Volt? But not all Prius owners are enviro nut jobs. I've seen as many idiots driving a Prius as I have an SUV. Prius owners tend to drive slow and some SUV owners try and push you off the road. Both are wrong! Also give the president time. I used to be a hard-core republican so I'm real familiar with the workings of that party and for certain the cry would go out if McCain had gotten in office to give him some time to fix what's broke. So cut Obama some slack just like you would have with McCain and give him time to fix things. It's not going to happen overnight.
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