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#7395 of 7481 RE: THE NEW HYBRID LICENSE PLATE COVER [zippcoman] by kdhspyder Apr 29, 2009 (11:06 am)
Replying to: zippcoman (Apr 29, 2009 9:56 am) Ummmmm?
#7396 of 7481 BIG Prius Mileage Difference: Gas with NO ethanol by dkreller Apr 30, 2009 (8:21 am)
Hi,   This message to Prius owners. PUT ONLY GAS NOT CONTAINING ETHANOL IN YOUR CAR!!!!   I have a 2007 Prius. When it was new I would regularly get 48 mpg. This was based on my own keeping records - not trusting the car which usually overestimated the mileage by a bit (~2 mpg). When it was new it could usually go about 430 miles on a tank of gas. However my car has been getting worse and worse mileage over the last year or so. There were several tanks of gas that the car wouldn't even go 400 mi before I had to fill it up again. I had this strong suspicion that the problem was gasoline containing ethanol. Fortunately for me I get most of my gas in Augusta GA and a new little gas station opened up that sells only gas containing NO ethanol. It has taken a few tanks, but now my car is getting BETTER MILEAGE THAN EVER. Right now it has gone 475 mi on a tank of gas an I am pretty sure I could go another 20 mi before I absolutely have to gas up again.   Gas containing ethanol is a big scam, in my opinion. We have to pay the same price for it, but it carries less energy per unit volume because of the ethanol. Also, all that corn grown in the midwest takes a lot of energy, water, and agrochemicals to grow. Corn has a lot of run-off and the chemicals and fertilizer run-off into the Mississippi and eventually into the Gulf, where they contribute to the big eutrophic 'dead zones' in the ocean. So your and my dollars are helping one of the most stupid policies in the history of mankind. Do I have strong feelings about this? Sure do! Not gonna take it any more. Hopefully the new government pays attention to logic and scientific/natural reality a little better than the last and we can get rid of some of these really poor policies that the last administration put in place.   Dave Replies to this message: wvgasguy (Apr 30, 2009 9:16 am) dmathews3 (Apr 30, 2009 9:18 am) kdhspyder (Apr 30, 2009 11:08 am) rick294 (May 01, 2009 8:09 am) dkreller (May 01, 2009 9:00 am) wvgasguy (May 01, 2009 9:41 am) dmathews3 (May 01, 2009 1:14 pm) rick294 (May 01, 2009 1:30 pm) and 2 more... numb3rz (May 01, 2009 9:57 am) rick294 (May 01, 2009 2:57 pm)
#7397 of 7481 RE: THE NEW HYBRID LICENSE PLATE COVER [zippcoman] by wvgasguy Apr 30, 2009 (9:14 am)
Replying to: zippcoman (Apr 29, 2009 9:56 am) one born every minute...   Assuming you drove 12,000 miles / year at 50 mpg, you'd use 240 gallons. If this miracle cover saved you 50 gallons, then for the same miles on 190 gallons you would be getting 63mpg. Pretty incredible results. Almost unbelievable.   I'm surprised Toyota didn't develop this (that's sarcasm for those of you who believed his ad in the first place)   I'd recommend you move to a state like mine where an ugly front plate is not required anyway.
#7398 of 7481 Re: BIG Prius Mileage Difference: Gas with NO ethanol [dkreller] by wvgasguy Apr 30, 2009 (9:16 am)
Replying to: dkreller (Apr 30, 2009 8:21 am) While I support using less foreign oil, I prefer not to do it by messing up the food chain so that millions in developing countries are now without food due to our need to put ethanol in our gasoline.
#7399 of 7481 Re: BIG Prius Mileage Difference: Gas with NO ethanol [dkreller] by dmathews3 Apr 30, 2009 (9:18 am)
Replying to: dkreller (Apr 30, 2009 8:21 am) GM uses a number of flex fuel vehicles which run on the E85 which is 85%ethanol. GM says unless the E85 is a minimum of 40 cents a gal. less you are better off burning real gas. The type you are talking about is only 10% and costs you about 10%+ less mpg's. Luckly around where I live most of the stations sell real gas with only a few selling the Ethanol in the gas and for the same amount. While in Co. last summer their E85 was almost a buck cheaper per gal than here in Mi. at the time and we have a bunch of factories making that stuff. Go figure.
#7400 of 7481 Re: BIG Prius Mileage Difference: Gas with NO ethanol [dkreller] by kdhspyder Apr 30, 2009 (11:08 am)
Replying to: dkreller (Apr 30, 2009 8:21 am) God another tinfoil-hat-wearer??   I've been using both in my Prius for over 18 months. VA always has E10 in its gas while NC often is 100% gas. Yes you do lose something in FE values because of the lesser amount of BTUs but the price is also lower. Net difference? ZERO.   Next case.
#7401 of 7481 Ethanol Mandatory in many States by tiff_c Apr 30, 2009 (3:24 pm)
I'm in New Hampshire and 10% ethanol is mandatory here. So if you want real gas you have to find a State that sells it. I think Mass and Maine are all also 10% ethanol no idea about Vermont. I think the EPA should rate all cars using the 10% ethanol since many of us do not have a choice in the matter. It's like using winter fuel all year round except in winter fuel economy drops even lower. Replies to this message: pf_flyer (May 01, 2009 2:56 am) dmathews3 (May 01, 2009 2:58 am) tiff_c (May 01, 2009 4:05 am)
#7402 of 7481 Re: Ethanol Mandatory in many States [tiff_c] by pf_flyer HOST May 01, 2009 (2:56 am)
Replying to: tiff_c (Apr 30, 2009 3:24 pm) Just an FYI, we have an entire discussion about the boondoggle known as ethanol you might want to chime in on...   The Inconvenient Truth About Ethanol
#7403 of 7481 Re: Ethanol Mandatory in many States [tiff_c] by dmathews3 May 01, 2009 (2:58 am)
Replying to: tiff_c (Apr 30, 2009 3:24 pm) I lose about 4 mpg city driving in the winter and I use real gas. Replies to this message: tiff_c (May 01, 2009 4:05 am)
#7404 of 7481 Re: Ethanol Mandatory in many States [dmathews3] by tiff_c May 01, 2009 (4:05 am)
Replying to: dmathews3 (May 01, 2009 2:58 am) I lose about 4 mpg city driving in the winter and I use real gas.   You are fortunate to be able to buy real gas. We get about 4-5 mpg less due to ethanol and then in the winter another 3-4 mpg. A Honda Fit Sport should do better than 28 mpg combined in the winter and that was the best we could get. We are up to 34 mpg combined now.

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