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#7365 of 7508 Re: Diff btwn Toyota 'full' hybrid and New Insight 'mild' hybrid? [johnxyz]
Jan 22, 2009 (10:40 am)
I just read about this two days ago, and already I've forgotten what I read! However, the Honda Fit is a superb vehicle. It was great for 08 and ever better for 09 (what I've read). I believe that the info you provided about the diff between full and mild hybrids is correct, however. Don't be concerned about being T-boned. There is NO lag, whatsoever, in restarting. The slightest touch on the gas pedal restarts the vehicle instantly. The Toyota products do get a bit better mileage over the Hondas, and yes, it has to do with their individual hybrid systems. Try not to be in too much of a rush to buy. Over the next two years, hybrids and full plug-ins are going to be coming on line fast. If unsure which way to go on hybrids, buy the Fit. My wife and I have a 2008 Prius. We just love it, regardless of the price of gas. Our new president is reportedly not interested in going after our own oil resources and that is going to create another gas crisis, guaranteed.
#7366 of 7508 Re: Diff btwn Toyota 'full' hybrid and New Insight 'mild' hybrid? [johnxyz]
Jan 22, 2009 (12:29 pm)
It seems that you have already done so but you should drive all three vehicles and see which one suits you best. Everyone's needs and preferences are different. Mine was .. first consideration, all compacts were eliminated.
Regarding the shutoff/startup feature it's a non-issue in the Prius. In most cases when you're at a light or at a turn you will be the first one off the line by at least a car length. That's due to the high insta-torque feature of the e-motor. The Prius will never win a drag race against a modern V6 but it will be 'off the line' quicker. It's very nearly the same as the early 2000's I4s.
#7367 of 7508 Re: Diff btwn Toyota 'full' hybrid and New Insight 'mild' hybrid? [kdhspyder]
Jan 22, 2009 (12:39 pm)
Thanks rick294 & kdhspyder - good info on the instant start - no need to worry.
Do you know however whether or not the new Insight is able to move forward silently under electric power only or is the gas engine always on? I understand that the Prius can propel itself under electric only - the strong torque that you referenced above.
Just want to clarify this point. I think that would be the difference btwn full (Toy) and mild (Honda) hybrid.
Is this an important consideration in purchase? Thanks again.
#7368 of 7508 SUV to Prius?
Jan 22, 2009 (6:21 pm)
Simple question, especially for Toyota salespeople like kdhspyder: has anyone ever experienced or even heard of someone trading in an SUV on a Prius (or getting rid of the SUV some other way in favor of a Prius)? Or in other words, can an SUVer find happiness with the Prius?
#7369 of 7508 Re: SUV to Prius? [backy]
Jan 22, 2009 (7:11 pm)
I don't see why not. We traded a minivan for one.
#7370 of 7508 Re: SUV to Prius? [grandtotal]
Jan 22, 2009 (7:23 pm)
Thanks, but I was specifically wondering about an SUV-for-Prius swap.
Back in 2004 I was all set to move from a minivan to a Prius, but a delay in getting the Prius nixed that. But I could be making that jump in a few years when we say good-bye to our last-ever (?) minivan.
#7371 of 7508 Re: Diff btwn Toyota 'full' hybrid and New Insight 'mild' hybrid? [johnxyz]
Jan 22, 2009 (9:40 pm)
No in Honda's IMA hybrid system the e-motor is just an assist for the ICE. It doesn't drive the vehicle by itself.
#7372 of 7508 Re: SUV to Prius? [backy]
Jan 22, 2009 (9:47 pm)
I've had multiple instances even last year alone.
Two Navy officers.. One traded her 07 Acadia loaded ==> Prius Pckg #6. Then a week later the other officer bought a loaded TCH so that he could park his 2500 Cummins.
A retired couple who purchased one of the first RX 300's back in 98 traded it for a loaded Pckg #6.
There are others I'm sure but these two leap to mind.
#7373 of 7508 Re: Diff btwn Toyota 'full' hybrid and New Insight 'mild' hybrid? [kdhspyder]
Jan 23, 2009 (6:24 am)
Thanks again - that's exactly the confirmation I was after. In general is that a dealbreaker that the Honda IMA system cannot propel itself under electric only?
This is a subtle but important difference in functionality that probably goes unnoticed by hybrid car buyers....
Is it worth spending more for the higher level of technology in the Toyota hybrid system? I do prefer Honda's over Toyotas in general but this might sway me to cough up more for the 2010 Prius over the 2009 New Insight....
#7374 of 7508 Re: Diff btwn Toyota 'full' hybrid and New Insight 'mild' hybrid? [johnxyz]
Jan 23, 2009 (12:59 pm)
You'll really have to drive both vehicles when they are out in early summer because there is likely to be a HUGE difference in price between the Insight and the 2010 Prius. Toyota is talking about holding the current 2009 Prius in production for some period and stripping it down somewhat so that it's in competition with the new Insight.
In early reports the Insight will be smaller and not as refined as the Gen 2 Prius. Thus it will not be as quick, powerful, fuel efficient and roomy as the Gen 3 Prius. So there's going to be a significant price difference. However if the 2009's continue in production and can be had at $20K or less then they are a direct competitor in that buying demographic.