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Re: Prius [kneisl1] by stevedebi
May 23, 2006 (11:00 am)
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Replying to: kneisl1 (May 23, 2006 10:26 am)

"I have heard that Toyota sells the Prius for less than it costs to make. Is this true? If so, does anyone have any figures as to what costs Toyota actually incurs in the production of the Prius?"
 
Toyota lost money on every first generation (1999-2003) Prius they sold. They claim they are now making money on the car.
 
No one knows just how much it actually costs to produce a Prius. But the fact that they are making more and more hybrids indicates they are making some money.
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Re: Prius [stevedebi] by backy
May 23, 2006 (3:20 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (May 23, 2006 11:00 am)

Toyota lost money on every first generation (1999-2003) Prius they sold.
 
Untrue. The following is from an October 2003 story in Automotive Industries Magazine. The "current generation" Prius they refer to is the first generation car:
 
While the rest of the automotive world is struggling to make a business case for hybrids, Toyota Motor Company is making money. According to Toyota, the last few month's worth of the current generation Prius brought in a small profit (industry insiders say about $1,100 dollars per vehicle).
 
http://www.ai-online.com/Adv/Previous/show_issue.php?id=308
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Production Cost $35-$40K by kneisl1
May 23, 2006 (3:54 pm)
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Just found this:
 
http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/prius-production-starts-in-china-143284.php
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Re: Prius [backy] by stevedebi
May 23, 2006 (4:00 pm)
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Replying to: backy (May 23, 2006 3:20 pm)

In October 0f 2003, the current generation would be the Gen 2, not Gen 1.
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Re: Production Cost $35-$40K [kneisl1] by grandtotal
May 23, 2006 (4:04 pm)
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Replying to: kneisl1 (May 23, 2006 3:54 pm)

No way does it cost $35K to build a Prius, let alone $40K.
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Re: Production Cost $35-$40K [kneisl1] by kdhspyder
May 23, 2006 (4:26 pm)
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Replying to: kneisl1 (May 23, 2006 3:54 pm)

As noted above this is incorrect. Originally in the first year that they were out the $35000 figure was mentioned on 2000-3000 units. Last year in the US alone 105,000 were delivered plus HH and 400h for a total approaching 150,000 just for this market. Likely there was another 150K units in the rest of the world ( est ).
 
Now add the TCH from Japan and KY plus production of the Prius in China plus the units licensed to Nissan and they may be approaching 500,000 units annually.
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cost by kneisl1
May 23, 2006 (4:34 pm)
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Selling for $35-40k actually.
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Re: cost [kneisl1] by kdhspyder
May 23, 2006 (4:54 pm)
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Replying to: kneisl1 (May 23, 2006 4:34 pm)

Sorry you are right from a closer reading. It said cost but in the context I guess that was to the Chinese consumer. WOW! I'll pass.
 
What a discussion they must be having on the boards over there comaparing a Chery to a Prius and trying to justify the extra cost.. whoowheee
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Chinese by kneisl1
May 23, 2006 (5:09 pm)
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It seems strange to me why so much because I would have to think the safety standards would be a lot less in China.
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Re: Prius [stevedebi] by backy
May 23, 2006 (6:05 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (May 23, 2006 4:00 pm)

Maybe you could read the article? It is about the brand-new, not-yet-for-sale (at that time; the article would have been written in August 2003, maybe September, to make an October 2003 magazine issue) 2004 Prius. The quote makes no sense if it is applied to the 2004+ Prius. It is clear it applies to the Gen 1 Prius, pre-2004 MY.
 
I have seen other statements about the profitability of the Gen 1 Prius late in its life. They were actually posted here about 3 years ago when this very same point came up, and was debunked. Urban legends die hard sometimes.

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