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#6338 of 7508 Re: Prius in snow [tagman]
Dec 09, 2005 (10:20 am)
I know this is hardly a statistic but I had a Subaru when I lived in Quebec 25 years ago and kept it 4 years. The only repair I needed was to replace the universal joint rubber boots. I presently have a 2001 Outback H6 VDC and, so far, besides oil changes I have the brakes to replace soon. I consider the Outback a very reliable car. All my other cars have been Toyotas and Hondas and all had great reliability as well. I still have (actually I gave it to my daughter) a 1992 Camry 4 cylinders, 170,000km which works like a charm. I am going to buy a Prius because I like the concept, the low gas consumption and the specs. I am not crazy about the shape (I realy like the back and the car viewed sideways from the back but I don't like the front too much. It's still not bad enough to detract me from buying it. I will miss the 4 wheel drive, even though we only have snow very sporadicly in Vancouver BC! I looked at the Highlander Ltd H and the Lexus 400H but they are way too expensive and the real world city driving mileage (in the 20s) is not much different from my Outback right now!
#6339 of 7508 Is it okay to ask a Prius question ?
Dec 09, 2005 (11:50 am)
Did you ever get your Prius . I know for awhile you were counting down the weeks and then some brake issue.
Here is my dilemma. About a month ago I put my name in for a 2006 Prius package #6 for MSRP. Well I got a call today I can have it in two(2) weeks if I want it. Actually three(3) weeks would be better pushing is past January 1. Okay the cost is :
Base Price $21,725
HK Package #6 3,830
Destination Charge 580
Now the dilemma a Civic Si is $20,540 The difference is $5,595 big $$$$ difference
Now assume you can get a tax credit of $3,000 the difference is only $2,595.
Let's see Civic Si 23/32 est=26
Let's see Prius 60/51 est=52
If I drive 15,000 miles a year and gas is $2.50 per gallon
Civic Si gas cost = $1,442
Prius gas cost = $ 721
Difference per year = $ 721
Number of years of suffering before payout+
$2,595/$721 = 3.6 years
OKAY OKAY this is just an estimate, yes maybe the Prius will get better than 52, maybe the insurance on the Civic Si will be higher and yes the Civic Si reqquires premium.
But think the Civic Si has performance, handling and a 6-speed manual shift and comes in Rallye Red.
Wait, Falconone, hold on don't answer. I think I have self-discovered it
Shift'n through 6 speeds,
#6340 of 7508 Re: Is it okay to ask a Prius question ? [midnightcowboy]
Dec 09, 2005 (12:21 pm)
I was considering the IS, but the dealers aren't dealing. I was reading R & T last night and saw the Mazdaspeed 6 with 274 HP!! Whew!!!! Came back to my senses. Picking up Mr. Prius 2nd Saturday in January!!
#6341 of 7508 Re: Is it okay to ask a Prius question ? [midnightcowboy]
Dec 09, 2005 (1:42 pm)
I 've been known to challenge the Prius from time to time. I've given it great credit where it's due, and I've been willing to point out it's weaknesses. The Prius forum can sometimes be a risky place to be critical of the Prius, of course, and I've had to stand my ground on occassion. But I read your analysis of your decision process and I just wanted to say CONGRATULATIONS to you! While you would have enjoyed the Prius, you'll absolutely enjoy the '06 Motor Trend Car of The Year. And, it's a GREAT-LOOKING car for the money, especially in red!
Good Luck with it.
#6342 of 7508 Hybrids REALLY worth it?
Dec 09, 2005 (8:43 pm)
Governments Wonder Whether Hybrid Cars Are Worth It
by Patrick Walters
. . . Officials in various cities estimate that choosing a hybrid vehicle costs an extra $3,000 to $8,000, depending on the model and which gasoline-only model would have been bought in its place.
Officials in Ann Arbor, Mich., decided not to add hybrids to their fleet after determining the costs would outweigh the benefits. Ann Arbor has other types of alternate-fuel vehicles, but found that hybrids just weren't cost-effective, said David Konkle, the city's energy coordinator.
Konkle estimated the hybrids would save $300 to $500 a year each in gas, making it impossible to make up the difference in purchase price, which he said was $8,000. . . .
#6343 of 7508 Re: Hybrids REALLY worth it? [tagman]
Dec 09, 2005 (8:51 pm)
see my post #4108 in Hybrids in the News forum.
#6344 of 7508 Re: Hybrids REALLY worth it? [kdhspyder]
Dec 09, 2005 (9:27 pm)
I read your post. Not all the Prius posts are as balanced as yours. Well done. You are realistic that the Prius will NOT save $$$$ for the reasons so many people think. The main consideration is really whether or not the Prius is a value, based upon it's features as a vehicle. A loaded Prius is within a few dollars of $30,000 for '06! There are some other AMAZING cars out there for that kind of money! Sure the Prius is amazing to some, but there are definately OTHERS to consider, especially when you get HONEST about the premium price tag of the hybrid and how it can actually COST MORE to operate a hybrid than its gas counterpart!
I am impressed with your honesty.
#6345 of 7508 Re: Hybrids REALLY worth it? [tagman]
Dec 09, 2005 (9:45 pm)
Oh and in the first 1000 mi I am getting about 50% better FE than my last 2 Camry's. 45-46mpg vs 30-33 mpg driving 150 mi/day at 57-63 mph. I'm keeping detailed records by week and weather. Keep ya posted.
#6346 of 7508 Re: Hybrids REALLY worth it? [kdhspyder]
Dec 10, 2005 (1:35 am)
I have debated for a long time whether or not I should buy a hybrid. My driving is 90% city driving if not more. I do a lot of those short trips so it adds-up. Most of the "fuel efficient" cars I have seen so far do a great job on the highway. My own Sunbaru Outback gets very good mileage on the highway and is basically what the EPA estimates. However, in short city driving trips I only get 12mpg (instead of the 21mpg EPA). So, for me only a hybrid or a diesel gives me decent fuel economy in city driving unless I go for a tiny car with no side airbags etc... like the Yaris. Diesel is not an option right now as the new low sulfur gas is coming and I don't want to be forced to add additives next year to keep my engine runing safely. I am also concerned about the amount of polution from the diesel engine...
I looked at the Civic and the Accura CSX (only available in Canada) but I am too tall for the car and fuel economy is OK for city driving but not exceptional... I know the loaded Prius costs too much but it seems a good compromise for what I want in comfort and luxury and, on top of that, it has great city driving mileage. My son has been trying to convince me not to buy a hybrid but so far has not offered me any other option that would fit what I am looking for...
#6347 of 7508 Re: Hybrids REALLY worth it? [tagman]
Dec 10, 2005 (5:35 am)
just want to point out that loaded car cost much more than the base for almost every car.