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#6134 of 7508 Re: more comments [backy]
Nov 06, 2005 (10:20 pm)
are no reports yet of any Prius--even taxis with over 250,000 miles--needing a battery replacement.
Interesting article about the first Prius cab.
Grant -- a one-time car salesman who, when he's not driving, is studying to be an executive business coach -- is on his third Prius now. (Toyota, seizing a chance to evaluate the car's durability, took his original back after he'd driven it 200,000 miles in 25 months and exchanged it with a 2003 model, fully outfitted for fares.)
#6135 of 7508 Re: more comments [gagrice]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Nov 07, 2005 (6:07 am)
Using the Prius as a cab seems like a great idea - with gas prices as high as they are, I'm sure it's really eating into cab company profits, and there's only so many times they can hike up the "fuel surcharge" before business drops.
#6136 of 7508 Re: more comments [tagman]
Nov 07, 2005 (9:37 am)
See Toyota's website. There is a FAQ there about Hybrids including battery life and recycling. Their statement is that the batteries are built to last the expected life of the vehicle. Any Toyota can be expected to go for about 250000 mi or so. Thats 15 yrs at 15000/yr. I'd guess you will have traded it in and be on your 3rd different vehicle by then. Unless you drive mega-miles per year you will likely be looking for a new vehicle in 6-7 yrs or less. In the US avg ownership is 3.5 yrs or so.
The Prius first came here in 2001. WE have never replaced a battery in 5 yrs.
Brakes actually can benefit by the design of the Prius. Now when you take your foot off the pedal of your vehicle the ICE is still pulling the vehicle forward albeit slowly and you have to fight this forward pull by pushing the brake pedal stongly to stop. In the Prius when you lift your foot off the pedal the entire drive system turns off temporarily and you actually are coasting to a stop with no forward pull. Actually the electric motor is transformed into a generator to recharge the batteries putting a drag on the drive system to help you slow. When you slow down normally you might actually only engage the friction brakes from 20 mph --> STOP. In panic stops the full force of the Brake Assist + EBD will help you stop quickly.
#6137 of 7508 Re: No ergonomic dash display in Prius!! [tagman]
Nov 07, 2005 (10:41 am)
What I'm asking about is the more typical information such as fuel level, engine temp, oil pressure, speedo, tachometer, etc. Is all this over to the right, except for the speedo you mentioned?
There is no tach. Fuel gauge is straight ahead. Warning lights are in a panel along the front and center - very easy to glance at and see anything that might be lit up. The Nav screen DOES have a warning when you start the car - you have to press "I agree" to get it to go off. Radio and climate control info is on the touch screen, but it is also on steering wheel so you can change stations, turn the radio on or off, adjust the temp or turn the system off, and operate front and rear defrosters from the steering wheel. It takes a very short time to familiarize yourself with the location of these buttons and can operate them without taking your eyes off the road.
#6138 of 7508 Toyota Prius v. Honda Civic Hybrid
Nov 07, 2005 (6:15 pm)
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#6139 of 7508 Prius Batteries
Nov 07, 2005 (6:47 pm)
So, let me get this staight. First it was posted that the batteries might need to be replaced after 8 - 10 years or 150,000 miles at a cost of around 6 grand. But then, it was posted that they go perhaps as far as 250,000 miles (as proven in taxi cabs) and there's never been a Prius that has had to have its batteries replaced yet. I have to admit, I'm still a little confused about the actual life of the batteries, but if the batteries are not a concern, then the vehicle makes much more sense.
#6140 of 7508 Re: Prius Batteries [tagman]
Nov 07, 2005 (6:53 pm)
Yes, you are confused. It was not posted that the batteries need to be replaced in 8-10 years or 150k miles. What was posted is, that is the duration of the warranty of the battery, not how long it lasts. Warranty duration is not the same as lifetime of the component. Otherwise we'd see lots of Toyota engines failing at 5 years or 60k miles!
#6141 of 7508 Re: Prius Batteries [tagman]
Nov 08, 2005 (5:21 am)
The price of 6 grand is what's thrown around out there IF you actually had to buy a pack. Tantamount to ten grand if you needed to buy a new engine for a Mini Cooper. Same analogy. It's just a number.
#6143 of 7508 Re: Prius Batteries [tagman]
Nov 08, 2005 (11:22 am)
The naysayers fret over having to replace their batteries when the warranties expire somewhere over 150000 miles. See the FAQ on Toyota's website that addresses the battery questions. Their expectation is '..the lifetime of the vehicle.' It's well known that with proper care any Toyota will last well over 200K miles.
How many vehicles have you held for 200K miles? I usually unload mine between 175K and 200K because I'm tired of the interior.
I am fairly certain Toyota knows that since this technology has been on the road for 10 years - and in development for 10 years before that - that the expected life is in the 200K+ range. The Doubting Thomas' will say 'prove it, I'll believe it when I see a bunch of used Prius' with 200K+ miles.
But consider... at one point everyone knew that the world was flat. 'Flatworlders' may not yet have gone out of existence completely.