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Toyota Prius, Hybrid Cars
#4847 of 7508 Re: Middle Road [gagrice #3462]
Jun 30, 2004 (8:33 am)
> I thought you posted that the Prius was indeed profitable for Toyota.
"was" is correct. But the move from classic to 2004 changed that.
> I don't want to end up with a 10 year old vehicle that the manufacturer long ago abandoned
That why I push so hard for people to focus on LONG-TERM, rather than what is happening today.
> You also drive a lot more than I do and can justify a new car every 3 years.
That is a false picture of me that people are drawing. In reality, the cost of the use of my 2001 Prius I had was only $7,500 (spelled out in detail on the website), which works out to payments $209 per month for 60,000 miles of ownership.
Jun 30, 2004 (8:34 am)
Is Toyota making money on the Prius?
Toyota is in business to make money and this generation Prius will be profitable sooner than the last generation Prius. Economies of scale, especially with the unanticipated volume of the new Prius, will make that happen even earlier than initially projected.
Is there a recycling plan in place for nickel-metal hydride batteries?
Toyota has a comprehensive battery recycling program in place and has been recycling nickel-metal hydride batteries since the RAV4 Electric Vehicle was introduced in 1998. Every part of the battery, from the precious metals to the plastic, plates, steel case and the wiring, is recycled. To ensure that batteries come back to Toyota, each battery has a phone number on it to call for recycling information and dealers are paid a $200 "bounty" for each battery.
I guess, you did not see my post in "Hybrids in the News" board.
#4849 of 7508 Re: OK Ok [john1701a #3461]
Jun 30, 2004 (8:36 am)
Actually, after reading a post on the other board, I realized I'm not looking at it properly. I was actually driving TRYING to charge the battery (with both regen brake and engine).
What was I thinking? Even if the battery did get totally discharged (unlikely) the car still has an engine I had plenty of gas.
Although I know the hybrid system is nothing like the electric EV1 I keep remembering the two times I saw those vehicles on the side of road, apprently out of "juice". I have to block that out of my mind since that was a totally different system.
#4850 of 7508 Re: Middle Road [john1701a #3465]
Jun 30, 2004 (8:48 am)
That is a false picture of me that people are drawing. In reality, the cost of the use of my 2001 Prius I had was only $7,500 (spelled out in detail on the website), which works out to payments $209 per month for 60,000 miles of ownership
If I was putting 20k miles a year on a car I would for sure think about a new one every 3 years. I think that is why the Prius is probably ideally suited to your situation. My cars sit for the 3 weeks out of every 6 weeks while I am at work in Alaska. I work the 3 weeks at home on the house and in the orchard. I need a vehicle to run 3 miles to Home Depot and haul back concrete and fertilizer. The Suburban is not perfect for that but it works. I really want a small truck that gets great mileage. None are available in this country.
#4851 of 7508 Re: Middle Road [gagrice #3462]
Jun 30, 2004 (9:26 am)
I for one think that your reasoning is sound. I was involved in the acquisition of an EV Ford Ranger for our city. My personal response to the acquisition was DO NOT GET IT! As I recall it was a $30,000 acquisition, which the CFO said was offset (at the time by a FED tax credit to our municipality)
I remember telling the dealership to massage the machine to make sure that there was NO glitches, since it was to be unveiled at a media event! YUP you guessed it! It failed to work! It has long since been unceremonously sent to auction. We had also built a number of "electrical plug in stations" at city hall and also at our light rail station! I am almost 100% positive that this "free electricity" is not even being used! It fulfilled its " media function". The real work horses are the gassers and diesel suvs and pick up trucks!
Vehicles as most folks know function best with systematic use! So for your 1990 Lexus you are correct to want and buy more reliable type transportation! You are also more likely to be on the correct side of the logistic support parameters which customers usually dont care much about. Also the logistical DELIVERY parameters of Toyota as simply awesome!
#4852 of 7508 Re making money
Jun 30, 2004 (9:56 am)
How many new designs recoup the automaker's entire investment in the first year of production? Yet that is what some people expect of the '04 Prius.
Another example: Ford is leveraging its investment in small cars by sharing a platform, powertrains, and other components across at least four models. I doubt whether Ford could recoup its entire investment in small car technology if they had to recoup the investment through only the Volvo S40 or Mazda3. Similary, Toyota is recouping the cost of developing its hybrid technology by sharing it across vehicles and even with other automakers through licensing arrangements. To assert that Toyota is not serious about making a profit on hybrid vehicles is unjustified, IMO. The Classic Prius was profitable. Once the development costs for the Prius II have been recouped, it too will be profitable. Toyota did not become the most profitable automaker and #2 automaker by volume in the world by making unprofitable vehicles.
#4853 of 7508 Re: Middle Road [gagrice #3468]
Jun 30, 2004 (9:57 am)
Home Depot rents a truck for 19.95 for 75 minutes. Instead of owning a gas hog, I park my Prius (or Mercedes) at Home Depot and load up THEIR truck, dirty it up and haul it home 3 miles to my house. Even if I did that twice a month, it sure beats owning an SUV. I also sometimes use the Prius to haul stuff home as the hatch really can hold a great deal of mulch/fertilizer.
#4854 of 7508 Re: Middle Road [djasonw #3471]
Jun 30, 2004 (10:46 am)
That is a good idea. I just noticed that $19.95 deal on the side of their trucks the other day. I told my wife the next time we get a load of blocks we should take advantage of it. I just cannot justify getting rid of a vehicle with 45k miles that is paid for and costing me very little to keep around. Although I do entertain the thought of selling to my neighbor who has offered top dollar for it. As has been posted here the Prius would not be a good vehicle for me as my average trip to shop is less than 6 miles round trip. The Prius is not designed for those short trips. I would probably buy a 5 or 6 year old Ford Ranger to do my errands and save the other $20k.
#4855 of 7508 Re: Middle Road [gagrice #3472]
Jun 30, 2004 (11:06 am)
I don't understand. What is your interest in the Prius (and in this board)? You don't own one. You don't want to own one. You are happy with your current vehicles and plan on keeping them for a while.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say only people who own or want to own a Prius should be on this board. I'm just asking because I don't get it.
#4856 of 7508 Re: Middle Road [mfullmer #3473]
Jun 30, 2004 (11:20 am)
On the contrary. I drove and liked one of the first to show up in San Diego. I came to this board looking for information on a small economical PU truck. I would be happy with a hybrid or a diesel. I am not going to jump on the bandwagon as some have just because the Prius is the "IN" vehicle. I have gained much useful information on this board more than is available from the dealers. If any of the automakers come out with something I can use I will buy it. So far they have not. Also many times the subjects stray from the original and more information comes out. Like I had no idea that Toyota builds most of their vehicles with diesel engines for the rest of the world. I believe that came out on this thread. And I enjoy the debate as long as people do not get hateful.