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Toyota Prius, Hybrid Cars
May 30, 2004 (7:25 am)
It is a much published fact that the Classic Prius (THS) did make a profit the final year of its production.
So to assume that the HSD technology in the 2004 Prius isn't on the fast-track to achieving profit also is absurd, especially now that we know the 2005 Prius production volume will be double what it was for the 2004.
In just a few months, HSD will be available in RX400h. About 4 months later, HSD will be available in the Highlander-Hybrid. Following that, a Lexus sedan and another Toyota vehicle will be equipped with HSD.
That's 5 vehicles all using HSD in just the short-term alone.
It is also a much published fact that Toyota wants to have a hybrid option available for every passenger vehicle they offer by 2010.
All the evidence points to this being nothing but a large development effort, just a well thought out new product. That's it. No conspiracy or another such nonsense... unlike the fuel-cell promotion that won't even deliver any feasible product until at least 2010. And even then, the fuel will only be available in very limited areas.
HSD would be a great subject of study in a Profit 101 class, a profound change in the automotive industry (ultimately driven by profit) unfolding as we speak.
#4397 of 7508 R&D......the vision thing.
May 30, 2004 (10:06 am)
Did Toyota put all the R&D money into the Hybrid concept/design because they KNEW it would be successful or did some manager at or near the top have the VISION to BELIEVE??
Look to the LearFan for an answer.
An absolutely beautiful, wonderful "vision" which never went into production.
Regardless of tax rules or laws companies must in some fashion be aware of the potential, rating, of the probability of ROI.
When my company sets out to develop a new product management is very well aware of the cost of the early models. No R&D payback, no next product!
And my guess at this time is that Toyota's current hybrid concept will never make it, successfully, beyond the economy class.
The production availibility of the RX400h has now been delayed 3 times, and my guess is taht it will turn out to be a real dud.
IMMHO the people of the "class" to buy hybrids are more interested in fuel economy rather than 0-60 times. No one of this classs sees the need for V8 performance in an RX400h SUV.
Just read the posts of folks in anticipation of the arrival of GSes and LSes with a SuperCharger hybrd battery pak.
Is that really where we want hybrid products to be??
#4398 of 7508 Lexus RX400h
May 30, 2004 (2:54 pm)
According to a few dealers I've spoken with, they already have lists forming. I seriously doubt the RX400 will be a dud. Absolutely NO WAY. My feeling is that Toyota's hybrid technology will eventually make them a bigger company than GM. You watch and see.
#4399 of 7508 Re: R&D......the vision thing. [wwest #3043]
May 30, 2004 (3:32 pm)
I've not heard of 400h availability being delayed, the Escape hybrid yes but the Lexus ? Yep Toyota with their hybrid system looks like a winner to me and not much competition hasn't hurt either.
#4400 of 7508 HSD technology
May 30, 2004 (3:33 pm)
Enjoyed reading the latest posts about R&D and future vehicle releases. A hearty welcome back to John1701a, I've missed hearing from you. You can bet that when a company does their R&D, product testing and product acceptance, they're looking 3-5 years down the road. Since the Prius debuted in 1997 in Japan, Toyota has been doing their homework. Otherwise they wouldn't have put it on the American market. It's obvious they used what they learned from the classic Prius in the design/tech of the NEW Prius. I've talked to several people who own classic Priuses and they are just amazed at what my '04 can do. Give credit where credit is due. I honestly do not believe that the HSD will give 4WD a run for their money, but as most people foresee the rising costs of fuel and a clean environment as serious concerns, economy/cleaner burning is the name of the game.
#4401 of 7508 Just think about....
May 30, 2004 (4:46 pm)
How GREAT the fuel economy of the RXxxxh would be with the Highlander I4 yeilding V6 performance. Having owned a MY2000 AWD RX300, and currently a 2001 AWD RX, I see no need for more performance in terms of quickness 0-60.
The SC430 had a huge waiting list at one time too. The question is, how long will the demand for SuperCharged RXes hold up absent the "green" market?
#4402 of 7508 Plan to execute then execute your plans
May 30, 2004 (7:06 pm)
Toyota is at stage two, executing their plans. HSD technology development and refinement were rather rapid. The kind of achievement only possible with the mentality when at war. That's my take on it.
#4403 of 7508 Re: R&D......the vision thing. [wwest #3043]
May 30, 2004 (7:27 pm)
> IMMHO the people of the "class" to buy hybrids are more interested in fuel economy rather than 0-60 times.
Currently, Highlander is available in 2 configurations. One emphasizes power. The other emphasizes economy.
With the hybrid Highlander, the first will emphasize power. The second will emphasize economy.
The economy version of the traditional Highlander shares both the same frame and the same engine as the Camry. So it makes very, very, very good business sense for the hybrid Highlander to do the very same thing.
This has already been pointed out several times before... by the way.
#4404 of 7508 I agree, but....
May 31, 2004 (10:26 am)
I think you can be fairly certain that the initial HL hybrid will be a virtual clone of the RX400h.
My next purchase is very likely to be an RX330 and then wait in hopes of an I4 HL hybrid and then maybe see that one cloned into the RX.
If I should live so long....
May 31, 2004 (12:34 pm)
> I think you can be fairly certain
Huh? We already know that the Highlander-Hybrid will be the power version. The specs were released back in Decemeber. Engine size is a dead giveaway.
Check the Highlander-Hybrid topic for details.