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Toyota Prius, Hybrid Cars
#3352 of 7508 Prius MkI & Prius Mk II...
Dec 29, 2003 (6:11 pm)
John "...There is no in-between term. Coin one. We'll use it..."
So, this is my suggestion for US Prius:
2001 - 2003 = Prius Mark I (MkI)
2004 - until new body design = Prius Mark II (MkII)
This will clarify which version of the Prius we are talking about. This has been done on other boards for "major" changes between both technical and body/cosmetic changes within the same model.
Backy...good points. I agree that minor cosmetic or mechanical changes do not constitute "generational" designation. As an example, lets say that for the 2005 model year, Toyota decides to re-shape the tail lamps and re-color it. This, in my opinion, does not constitute a generational change unless the whole body has also gone through major re-design.
I understand that under the skin there may be updates to the engine/hybrid system throughout the years. However, these tweaks, do not, (again, in my opinion) constitute and update to a Mark III status without also changing the whole look of the vehicle.
#3353 of 7508 Re generations
Dec 29, 2003 (7:40 pm)
How much can you change before it is no longer the same vehicle?
That's really a marketing question. Sometimes a name has worn out its welcome (e.g., Excel, Tercel, Bronco, Nova, soon Cavalier) for whatever reason. So the manufacturer decides to rename the vehicle when it is redesigned. Other cars have been redesigned many times over their lifetimes (e.g. Camry, Corolla, Civic, Accord, Impala, Mustang, Corvette) but retain their names because the manufacturers think there is positive brand equity in them. I expect that the Prius name will not live that long, maybe one more generation beyond the current one. Why? Because IMO the Prius is Toyota's showcase and testing ground for their latest hybrid technology, and once hybrid technology becomes mainstream and has spread across Toyota's entire lineup, there won't be a need for a single model that is a showcase for Toyota's hybrid technology.
Another idea to label the Prius generations is Prius Classic and Prius TNG, which is borrowed from an obvious source that John should recognize. Actually the Prius Classic label is already commonly used.
#3354 of 7508 I like to use
Dec 30, 2003 (6:23 am)
Prius Classic (2000-2003)
I doubt the Prius will stay as soon as the Camry, Highlander, Corolla and RAV4 get hybrids because the Prius, like backy said, is Toyota's showcase for new tecnology.
Dec 30, 2003 (7:36 am)
That's the way it's done for the Miata. 1990-1997 models are referred to as M1, Gen. 1, Mark 1, etc. Even though the 1994 model got an entirely new engine and lots of other upgrades (brakes, chassis bracing), it's still counted at first generation.
M2 started in 1999, there was no 1998 model in the US. VVT and turbos have been added, but it's still an M2.
Just my 2 cents'. But what do half a million sport car owners know.
#3356 of 7508 Diversity antennas...
Dec 30, 2003 (8:18 am)
Usually mean two antennas, used to prevent signal "picket fencing" (in and out signal cancelation due to dual signal path) on the FM band.
Dec 30, 2003 (9:55 am)
I predict that the Prius will be around for at least one or two more major body changes, or even longer. Because it is Toyota's technology showcase, that is more than a good reason for Toyota to continue it's developement. Can you imagine a hydrogen based Prius?
Keeping the Prius alive and well will give Toyota a platform to try out new technology without affecting the other model lines. Being conservative with other future hybrid lines like Corrolla or Camry may be beneficial to Toyota. Just my $0.02...
Dec 30, 2003 (10:29 am)
Anybody have an opinion on this (besides it being vague)?
Prius is #2 on the lemon list? I suppose this is data from the classic Prius.
Dec 30, 2003 (10:34 am)
I question the technical merit given they can't even spell "Forester".
Neon ranks better than Civic or RAV4? I'll pass on that data...
Dec 30, 2003 (10:35 am)
We made lemonade ages ago.
The site is nothing but a promotional tool for a group of attorneys.
There is no real merit behind their claim. They simply took advantage of a unique situation to add a popular new vehicle to their list, one that would generate lots of attention to their website.
Dec 30, 2003 (10:40 am)
How can Escape top the list, and then the Tribute not even be on it? They are twins, and were affected by the same recalls and other problems. They say it's sales weighted.
Buick LeSabre is among the most reliable on that platform, yet the list implies the opposite.
At a minimum, they just don't have a large enough sample for it to have any meaning.