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Toyota Prius, Hybrid Cars
#2920 of 7508 Corolla vs. Prius
Dec 04, 2003 (1:55 pm)
xcel - you are really wrong to compare a Corolla to a Prius. We have a 2003 Corolla LE and a 2004 Prius. The Corolla has NEVER met the EPA mileage, and neither has the Prius yet. But, in comparing the two, The Prius is now averaging 45 mpg and the Corolla 29 mpg. Corolla is a very nice, well built car but does NOT have the room, comfort, safety features, and efficiency of the Prius. Why even compare them???? They are not even in the same class of vehicle. Compare it to a Camry or Avalon. All the arguments about the bladder in the Prius gas tank seem pointless. It's there for a reason, a good one at that, and we have to deal with it. Beating the issue to death won't change that. There are probably many things Toyota did not fully explain about the Prius but I have noticed that a lot of the gripes/questions posted both here and on other forums could be avoided if people would JUST READ THE MANUAL. Yes, it is a little thicker than most, but if you're planning to keep the car, read it.
Dec 04, 2003 (2:03 pm)
...if you don't mind, what build number is your Prius? Last 5 digits of your VIN number? I hope it is smaller than 17,000+ which is what my VIN last five digit shows. Thanks for the heads up. Tony.
Dec 04, 2003 (2:58 pm)
___I have been comparing the Prius to any number of mostly Toyota vehicles but I am focusing on the Corolla and Camry most because of how the Prius is constructed and where it fits in the Toyota lineup. I have also posted comparison specs on the Camry LE/XLE, Corolla LE, Civic Hybrid(s), Echo w/ Auto and Manual, Focus ZX5 PZEV and ULEV, and the Matrix XR/XRS as well.
___The 04 Prius, 03/04 Corolla, and 03/04 Echo use the same or similar lower quality rear suspension and brake HW. The Camry on the other hand uses a much HQ setup for both depending on trim. If the Prius used the HQ HW of a Camry, then I believe it should be compared to a Camry even more but as it stands, it doesnít. The Prius is more expensive, smaller, uses lower quality HW, has lower braking and acceleration performance, is less comfortable, but does receive better mileage then the Camry. The Camry is also available as a PZEV although it may not be in your locale. Even Edmunds has made mention of the Priusí as not being in the same league as the Camry: ďThe lightweight body doesn't feel as rock solid as a Camry, and the driving position can be a bit awkward for some, but the overall comfort level is comparable to most other sedans in its class. ď
___As for meeting the EPA mileage, I am sorry you are not even meeting the city mileage EPA estimates in yours. I have never recorded a trip cycle from its first tank, in 5 to 10 below weather traveling in excess of 80 mph, or its last anywhere near that low. Because of this, I think I could achieve at least 53 on the hwy in an 04 Prius as mentioned quite some time ago. From the few 04 Prius owners that have reported actual measured mileage, they arenít anywhere close to city, hwy, or combined as a group either. This is probably to be expected since Toyota themselves have said so, new Priusí are not broken in yet, and the temps are too cold to achieve a good average. I hope the warmer weather will help.
___The NHTSA Corolla ratings are 5/5/4/4/4 and the IIHS is rated G all the way across. It is one of the best compacts in terms of safety on the road today. These tests were performed on the 03 w/out side air bags. I can only hope the new Prius is safer then the Corolla because the 01-03 Prius scored rather mediocre in its crash tests. Currently, the 04 Prius is still waiting for the testing to begin so no one knows if they improved from the 01-03 or not? They better have!
___Size Ö I canít fault you there. The Hatchback Corollaís in Europe appears to be Prius sized as well but the Prius doesnít come in a sedan like the Corolla/Camry so there is no direct comparison. If you want size and comfort, the Camry is the easy choice given it has the room front to back and in particular side to side. The 04 Prius fits between the Corolla sedan and Camry sedan as follows: 103.9 / 112.3 / 118.4 (cu. ft.). If the Prius were a sedan, it would be ~ 108 (cu. ft.). Even as a hatchback, it isnít the size of a Camry nor is it the size of an Avalon at 121.5 (cu. ft.)?
___Lastly, the 04 Prius costs a heck of a lot more then a Corolla or Camry. The 04 Prius when loaded up costs quite a bit more then even a loaded up Camry XLE which carries even more luxury features. When Toyota offers the HSD in an Echo, Corolla, or Camry for $12,500 to $20,000, then it will not only be up to the chore, it may even save the world in the short term. As it stands, 40,000 Priusí costing an average of ~ $23,000, are pretty darn expensive for an underperformer in quite a few metrics against its peers IMHO.
___Wayne R. Gerdes
#2923 of 7508 Corolla & Prius
Dec 04, 2003 (3:26 pm)
I agree... perhaps a board should be set up for this issue. This conversation should be about the Prius. But since so many people like to read about the virtues of the Corolla, I might as well add some comments. My dad drives a Corolla '03 down in Florida. He averages around 32 with between highway and city. When my dad was up for Thanksgiving he drove my '04 Prius and immediately wanted to get rid of his Corolla! I told him he's nuts but he just loved it! He couldn't believe what a difference there was between the two cars. He also has an Acura TL too, but leaves that up in NY when he's in Florida. Truth be told, if there was no such thing as a Prius, I would rather have a Civic over a Corolla. I am not trashing the Corolla, it's just BORING!
Dec 04, 2003 (3:43 pm)
___I thought you were saying you use your scroll down button? If you donít want to read, donít.
___Did your father also test drive a Camry? They are boring too. They are larger, less costly, better performers, are more comfortable etc. At what point does the anemic Prius become boring? While you are running through a sweeper? Running from stop light to stop light? It might even drive with less driver feedback given its nature and lowly performance.
___Wayne R. Gerdes
Dec 04, 2003 (5:26 pm)
Hi Djasonwl (Dave):
___You arenít using your scroll button again - hypocrite Ö To bad you added nothing again.
___If you take a look at Johnís web site and the lifetime mileage charts in particular, you will see a cycling of mileage from their minimums at the coldest point of the year to maximums in the warmer periods. Unless A/C is invoked where you might see a small drop off if you are lucky in the warmest months and donít use it all the time. This is a classic fuel consumption chart for most automobiles. In many large cities in the US, a switch is made to a higher oxygenated fuel for a supposed cleaner burn in the warmer summer months. There is a lot of controversy on this as the additives can be more dangerous then the cleaner burn achieves. This summer fuel supposedly lacks the BTUís of the winter mix thus leading to lower power and economy from what I have read. The warmer temps however more then mask this lower economy fuel so you will still see an increase in economy during the warmer months irregardless if there is a higher oxygenated summer blend fuel or not. Key point. Not all areas have to use summer high-oxygenated blends thus you wonít have any losses due to the fuel itself. I cannot provide links as it has been some time since I looked into this and may be off the mark somewhat.
___Wayne R. Gerdes
#2929 of 7508 I don't think any board is set up for discussion of people
Dec 04, 2003 (5:41 pm)
only for discussion of cars. Everyone has a right to their point of view.