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Toyota Prius, Hybrid Cars
#2876 of 7508 Re quality
Dec 02, 2003 (6:43 pm)
The best built Toyotas are already on the road.
Maybe, but you won't convince the people surveyed by J.D. Power & Associates in their recent Initial Quality Surveys. For 2001, 2002, and 2003, Toyota dominated these quality awards, while showing improvement over that timespan. In the 2003 report, J.D. Power noted:
Newly launched/redesigned vehicles from Hyundai, Toyota and the Chrysler Group also record better initial quality on average than the models being replaced.
Which seems to indicate that the quality of Toyota's vehicles is improving over time, not decreasing.
BTW, in the 2001-03 surveys, the Prius was 2nd in its class in '01 (Corolla was first), tied with Corolla for 1st in '02, and 1st in '03 (Corolla was second). I guess that could mean either the Prius was improving, or the Corolla was slipping--or a little of both. But they were good enough to top all other compact cars for all three years. Also, in 2 of the 3 surveys, the ECHO was third, and the Prizm (Toyota/GM joint venture) was third the other year.
#2877 of 7508 Prius mileage,comfort and practicality
Dec 03, 2003 (4:53 am)
drscientific- Thank you for your mpg results from your trip. I'm considering buying a Prius, Camry or Corolla. I'm fascinated to explore the technology of the Prius, but at the same time I really want the disguised trunk space of the Camry to hide my golf clubs. Along with of course, the comfort and amenities that the Camry offers. I looked at the Corolla for the gas mileage (EPA 29/38) and I'm sure I'll top 40 mpg.
But I wonder what it would be like on a lengthy trip for driver comfort.
I have a couple of questions re the Prius:
1. Could a person sleep in the Prius and still keep the doors locked if the fob is inside with him?
2. How long after you walk away from the car do the doors lock?
3. Do the rear seats fold completely flat or more like a 70 deg angle?
4. How good is the sound system at freeway speeds?
5. How are the insurance premiums on the Prius?
6. Re discrepancy in fuel gage indication vs actual gals needed for fill-up: Does the tripodometer jive with either gals needed or fuel gage?
midnightcowboy- I'll have to start looking for those gaps you mentioned. Salespeople/dealership don't really squat about quality control. Thank you for the observations.
footie- I totally agree with your mention of how quality has slipped. I believe that Toyota is still outselling and outbuilding their Amer/Euro counterparts, but profit margin (greed) has crept into their workmanship as customer loyalty will indicate.
How are the freeway noise level differences between Prius, Camry and Corolla?
Thanks to all-Happy Holidays, too!!
Dec 03, 2003 (6:18 am)
1. What's the matter. . .does your golfing habit get you kicked out of the house frequently? Yes, you can lock the doors with the fob in the car.
2. Doors do not lock automatically by walking away from the car. Either have to press the button on the fob or press the button on the door handles/hatchback handle.
3. Don't know. Never tried. I still have to figure out if my road bike will fit in the car. It will be close!
4. Sound system is great at highway speeds (I have the JBL system).
5. I live in $$$ MA. My insurance premium is probably not representative of most folks. It is relatively inexpensive.
6. This seems to be a recurring issue with most owners. The last fuel indicator box will flash after only approximately seven gallons of gas have been consumed (despite an ~12 gallon tank). My 04 Prius has never taken more than 9 gallons of gasoline (7 to 8 gallons on average). It's almost as if someone's lunch box was left in the gas tank taking up 4 gallons of volume.
Frustrated, I once filled the tank and waited for that last box to blink. This happened after only 320 miles driven on the full tank. I decided to push the limit. I figured at 40mpg (very, VERY conservative) with a 12 gallon tank that I should be able to travel ~480 miles. I ran out of gas after 446 miles and luckily coasted to a nearby gas station. Still the tank only took 9 gallons of gas. It does not make sense. I feel Toyota has a little issue to address.
Build quality is very good.
I find the car very comfortable (more so than a Camry). I drive 150+ miles per day and find the comfort/features to be surprisingly excellent.
There's plenty of room to hide your clubs.
#2879 of 7508 the bladder inside
Dec 03, 2003 (7:33 am)
> with a 12 gallon tank
That isn't actually the capacity though.
It is 11.9 gallons at ROOM TEMPERATURE.
In the cold, aka WINTER, capacity is reduced. During the peak of the snowy season here in Minnesota, I've estimated that the bladder in the tank (used for reducing evaporative emissions) shrinks enough to reduce capacity by 1.5 gallons.
Dec 03, 2003 (7:40 am)
> 1. Could a person sleep in the Prius and still
> keep the doors locked if the fob is inside
> with him?
If you press the DISABLE button for SE/SS, the doors can't not be unlocked via the proximity detector no matter where it is.
> 2. How long after you walk away from the car do
> the doors lock?
About 2 to 3 feet. The range is impressively limited.
> 3. Do the rear seats fold completely flat or more
> like a 70 deg angle?
With weight applied, they lay completely flat!
> 4. How good is the sound system at freeway speeds?
Sweet! (Of course, I have the premium system.)
> 5. How are the insurance premiums on the Prius?
There's no real difference from another other vehicle. Fortunately, being a hybrid doesn't equal to higher premium.
6. Re discrepancy in fuel gage indication vs actual gals
> needed for fill-up: Does the tripodometer jive with either
> gals needed or fuel gage?
Using the ODO is all I've ever done for the last 3 years (2 different Prius) for guaging when a fill up is needed. That method is far more accurate compared to dealing with the fuel level (which changes with the temperature).
#2881 of 7508 Smart Entry Question
Dec 03, 2003 (8:47 am)
I have been SO busy at work, I haven't had much time to read the manual in its entirety. I know John would be an expert on this, so if you feel so inclined, please reply.
When I get to my destination, I always press the button on the door handle to lock the door. Is the system desgined to LOCK the doors when I walk away with the fob? I thought that was the case, so when I first picked up the car I tested it. Apparently the door was still open when I returned. I had my friend stand over one hundred feet away with the FOB so I can test to see if the door had indeed locked. So.....for the last month I have always locked it with the button. Is there something I have to set? TIA!!
#2882 of 7508 Re: Smart Entry Question
Dec 03, 2003 (9:38 am)
Sorry, the best I can do is assume the alarm system locks it just like it did for my 2001. I haven't had a chance to try it though.
Since 12-volt battery drain was always something you needed to be aware of in the past, I got in the habit of using the easy-confirm by just locking via the remote. Now I do that via a black button on one of the doors.
Dec 03, 2003 (11:33 am)
missmyaudi and john1701a
Thank you both for answering my questions. No, my wife hasn't thrown me out of the house...yet. I'm planning to take a L-O-N-G trip around the country next year and although I don't plan to sleep in a Prius, I was just curious. Does the Prius not use a metal gas tank? I'm thinking about either a Prius, Camry or Corolla as mentioned before. I am concerned about driver comfort. I plan on playing a fair amount of golf during my trip and I just want some security for my clubs. It looks like I may have to bribe a new Prius owner with a little gas money to be able to test drive one. I looked at the Corolla trunk size and it just may not work for me. Keep the advice coming, I appreciate it very much.
Dec 03, 2003 (12:23 pm)
I don't know it from experience but I was told the exact same information by a St. Louis salesperson that is the local "representative" for the Prius at public presentations, etc. for organizations such as the Sierra Club and local news.
He informed me that the bladder did in fact fluctuate based on climatic conditions. It's primary purpose is the containment of all fuel emissions contributing to the extremely low overall emissions rating for the vehicle. He said that I should expect aprx. 1.5 gallons less capacity during the colder months here in the midwest due to this.