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Toyota Prius, Hybrid Cars
Nov 27, 2003 (9:21 pm)
___As for Prius envy, no. What I would like is the Priusí HSD in a Corolla LE for $17,000 or less and not $20,500 to $26,000 + tax outlay as you have done.
___Making a statement is more about emotion then practicality but if that is what you want, I am glad you have the car to do it with. I am more then happy to hear of your mileage as this is a question that has been my own for quite some time now. That hwy mileage you are receiving is so important as to make me want the HSD in any less expensive automobile right now!
___Since you probably know very little about GPS, do you know what month/year your Navtech based maps are from? I know my Mapopolis Navtech based maps and POIís are from the May of 03 release. Most automobile manufactures use or have used ancient to even 1 year old maps because of the license they receive from Alpine/Pioneer. In other words, you are probably using older Navtech maps and you donít even know it Ö The next time you go into your local Wal-Mart, why donít you ask for a Road Atlas from 2000, 2001, or 2002. Watch the sales assistant give you an odd look like why would you want that? Then they will ask why would we carry such outdated maps? Then 3, who would carry such an ancient atlas anyway? I am also wondering if the 04 Priusí NAVI uses a Gyro based setup for the times it loses the birds as the higher end Lux NAVI equipped automobiles use? This is one item a Hand held based NAVI unit truly lacks.
___As for VSC, if Toyota would have offered it, I would have purchased it. They didnít so I couldnít. Remember the Cadillac Cimarron?
___And for being in the same league, you must have missed the part that if the Prius were a sedan, it would be a compact just like its sibling the Corolla. Do you also know the Hatchback Corollaís are larger then the Prius? Did you also know it outperforms the Prius from 0 to 60 mph by quite a margin? Many of the Priusí suspension and braking components appear to be shared with the Corolla and Echo by all appearances. I am still awaiting the full tests in C&D as well as the other publications for a side by side myself. Did you also know a Corolla costs $5 to 12,000 less? You could have also purchased a Camry XLE that is larger, quieter, more comfortable, and out performs the Prius in any number of performance attributes given its superior suspension and braking build as well as being more luxurious off the show room floor. All for much less money as well Ö
___I love the HSD in the 04 Prius for all the right reasons but the cost of the 04 Prius stripped + the option package pricing is ridiculous. You will more then likely pay for your purchase even harder at trade in time although you are probably not concerned with that at this point in time Ö
___Wayne R. Gerdes
Nov 27, 2003 (10:02 pm)
___I have a few questions for the savvy 04 Prius owners Ö
___Does the 04 Prius have DRLís (Day time running lights)? I keep seeing posts about auto lights and I am a little confused given DRLís should be a safer option and are mandatory for our neighbors to the north from my understanding.
___Does the 04 Prius have a variable assist steering feel built into the electric power steering assist?
___Does the 04 Prius include Tinted glass?
___Does the 04 Prius include a Tach or outside temperature readout? Even with the higher level option packages? I believe the tachometer issue has been discussed in the past so maybe the outside temp readout question would suffice?
___Thanks in advance
___Wayne R. Gerdes
Nov 28, 2003 (7:05 am)
> I love the HSD in the 04 Prius for all the right reasons
> but the cost of the 04 Prius stripped + the option package
> pricing is ridiculous.
Countless times now we have pointed out that there is NO SUCH THING as a stripped Prius. The base model is very well loaded. A comparable Corolla is only about $3,000 less. That is in no way "ridiculous".
> I am a little confused given DRLís should be a safer option
> and are mandatory for our neighbors to the north from my
DRL's don't really provide any benefit. They don't illuminate the back of the vehicle. And people in the north have vehicles covered with sand & salt filth most of the winter, shining the dimmed front lights through that filth makes them virtually impossible to see.
Instead, just let the Prius turn your full headlights on & off for you everytime you start & stop it.
> Does the 04 Prius have a variable assist steering feel
> built into the electric power steering assist?
Steering is tighter at faster speeds and looser at slower speeds.
> Does the 04 Prius include Tinted glass?
The glass is specially insulted, to help reduce the need for Heat & A/C. If you want darker windows, get that as an aftermarket option.
> Does the 04 Prius include a Tach
Since RPM is totally computer controlled, a tach is completely useless. The Multi-Display does indicate fuel-flow though, which is much more informative.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that the engine will spin at speeds above 42 MPH, even though it isn't actually running. No gas is being consumed. A tach wouldn't tell you that.
You can add an aftermarket tach if you really want one though.
> outside temperature readout?
That is a BASE MODEL feature you have obviously haven't accounted for. Yes, it is included on ALL models of Prius.
Automatic Climate-Control is included in the BASE MODEL of Prius too. So you can set the internal comfort to a specific temperature. Another standard benefit you may not have been aware of.
Nov 28, 2003 (7:40 am)
___Thank you for answering my questions. I saw someone ask about an 04 Priusí outside temp over at Prius Online yesterday. I already knew about the auto climate.
___A Comparable Corolla is at least $5,000 less given you can purchase a Corolla for $150.00 over just about any day of the week and includes DRLís so you donít turn anything on or off.
___As far as ridiculous, $5,000 + for a top of the line package on an economy car and why is the rear wiper on a hatchback not std.? For safety reasons alone, it should have been.
___Wayne R. Gerdes
#2766 of 7508 Corolla Thread-XCEL
Nov 28, 2003 (7:56 am)
I thought this was the thread for the Prius, not the Corolla. If you want to compare them please take it to the correct thread.
Nov 28, 2003 (8:02 am)
> $6,000 for a top of the line package on an economy car
Countless times it has been stated that Toyota wants to increase their US market-share.
By offering a NEW CATEGORY of vehicle, they will gain the attention of new consumers. So they created Prius, which clearly doesn't fit into the traditional "economy" category.
> why is the rear wiper on a hatchback not std.?
For some bizarre reason, those surveyed about upcoming Prius features last year requested it that way. So Toyota obliged by offering the choice.
Nov 28, 2003 (8:12 am)
___I think I asked about the Priusí features and someone mentioned the Corolla again?
___Wayne R. Gerdes
#2770 of 7508 To John & excel
Nov 28, 2003 (9:43 am)
Don't waste your time in answering xcel' "questions". It is absolutely meaningless to compare Corolla with Prius. In my country, Corolla is one of the best economy car (a more decent name for cheap car). However, most people don't want to tell others they are driving Corolla because that tells something about that person.
Prius is a niche car. I've been driving Volvo for 20 years, from 240 to 850 & S60. I am willing to switch to Prius for the simple reason of environmental protection. excel seems to be wise on pennies but he ignores the fact that we all have to pay for the price of pollution.
To excel: please spare us & go back to your Corolla forum to sing your song.
Nov 28, 2003 (10:30 am)
> Don't waste your time in answering xcel' "questions".
> Corolla is one of the best economy car
One fact I would like to emphasize is how impressive of a vehicle Corolla is in the first place. Just 2 years ago, it was a very reliable, highly sought after (one of the best sellers of all time, in fact) small car. Today, the same is true but it is a much bigger car.
Corolla stands above the crowd, without even factoring in the remarkable price. The competition simply can't compete well with it. So comparisons to one of the best, Corolla, isn't all that bad.
The fact that Prius is a cut above really puts an impressive feather in Toyota's cap... which makes a certain Corolla owner here a little jealous!