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Toyota Prius, Hybrid Cars
#266 of 7508 Re: Such a wait... [pusterracing #265]
Apr 23, 2004 (12:48 pm)
Great information and response. I think the TDI is a good alternative, In fact I had decided to buy a 2003 5-speed GLS Golf TDI with monsoon radio in July 2003. Didn't have heated seats or skid control. We had talked about invoice and when I went to sign the papers, they wanted $300 over and I walked. I subsequently read all the TDI forums and Prius forums and Honda hybrid. I decided I would wait and see about the 100hp TDI Golf, but they didn't show up and I was apprehensive about reliability.
Oh Yeah the came back and offered it at Invoice, but I didn't buy. I also got answers from the VW service manager that didn't match VWs recommended maintenance schedule. I also have never owned a diesel and I am used to higher performance and it would have been a sacrifice. I am still waiting and putting 30k miles per year on my car.
Thanks again for your informative review of the TDI Jetta. I really like the utility of a hatchback: best choices now Prius (NO MANUAL SHIFT) , Mazda 3 hatch, Honda Civic Si, VW Golf TDI, RSX- Type S. I took a test drive in a Focus SVT upgrade radio xexons, leather; the salesman gave me the keys. Unless you got on it it was slow, $5,000 off MSRP at the time. Good radio is important to me: VW excellent, SVT excellent, Prius: good, Mazda: poor, Honda: very good.
Lots of trade offs in mileage, reliability, features and cost.
As foggy as houston is every morning heated mirrors are important. I also like automatic lights, adjustable seats and MANUAL TRANSMISSION. The Prius doesn't offer some basic fetures and then offer things like Smart Start, Smart entry. Doesn't make sense unless Toyota got the marketing and engineering design departments mixed up.
VW has one of the best rides and best feature sets of any car out there. Maybe it is the German engineering.
#267 of 7508 Re: Such a wait... [midnightcowboy #266]
Apr 23, 2004 (3:53 pm)
Yeah..I initially walked away from the car I bought too....orginally didn't come off the sticker far enough..and obviously didn't do their homework on their trade info (or thought maybe I hadn't). They called me the next day and met my offer no stipulations....and since I had offered it and I'm a man of my word....I bought it.
The Cold Weather Package is nice (I thought they offered it on the Golf too) with heated front seats, heated spray nozzles and heated mirrors. Living in extreme northern IN (80 miles east of Chicago and 10 miles from the MI border) it will be helpful come next winter (heck I've even used the heated seats in the past three weeks.)
I haven't had any chance to see how the traction control system (ESP) works...although I do like the fact that you can disable it with the push of a button (like OD on an auto transmission).
I looked at the Golf..but decided on the Jetta because I have a 3 year old and 2 year old and leather interior is important for me (easier to clean and resists stains better). One of the drawbacks to this particular car is the amount of room in the rear seat..it's fine for my kids with their carseats...and teenagers, but I wouldn't want to try and put 6' adults back there...I don't know if the Golf has more room or not.
The Monsoon sound system is very nice....It's much nice than the MACH audio system in the 1998 Taurus SHO that I had (talk abouot a car that was an electrical nightmare.....had it in the shop 13 times in the first 12 months I owned it for electrical problems..traded it in 2002 for a Galant ESV6..which I still own..with only 13K miles on it).
I haven't driven the 3...but I always liked the looks and size of the Protege. Think it had the most passenger space of cars in it's class.
#268 of 7508 Am looking at the wrong discussion?
Apr 23, 2004 (6:10 pm)
I thought this discussion was:
Toyota Prius: Prices Paid and Buying Experience
#269 of 7508 Errata
Apr 23, 2004 (7:24 pm)
The Prius has heated side mirrors.
And now, back to our regularly scheduled topic...
#270 of 7508 Homelink mirror - and hello Galoot
Apr 24, 2004 (12:16 pm)
I just picked up my silver package 9 on Earth Day! It was almost 6 months to the day from when I ordered it. Wanted to clear up one thing I said earlier - when it finally got down to the numbers the dealer kept insisting the Homelink mirror was not part of package 9 (contrary to the brochure and Toyota.com website). It was listed as an extra $299 charge. If you notice this extra charge and are buying a package 9 hold to your guns. I finally called 1-800-GOTOYOTA the number I got from this discussion (THANKS Sylvia!)and the gentleman at that number assured me it WAS included. When the dealer finally called me back and gave me the hard numbers it had magically disappeared as an extra charge - he said there are still some "glitches" they are working out. But I had my backup reference# from my call to pursue it if I needed to. I am absolutely totally in love with this car. Let me just reassure those of you still waiting - it most definately is worth the wait if this is the car you want.
P.S. Galoot - have you gotten yours yet?? Would like to hear from you.
#271 of 7508 Re: Homelink mirror - and hello Galoot [aligrat #270]
Apr 25, 2004 (11:42 am)
Congratulations, sounds like it is worth the wait. Yes, I'm still waiting. I will certainly post my final experience when I get one.
Speaking of Earth Day; we were in Knoxville, TN this weekend and attended an Earth Day celebration. There was a Driftwood parked there that belong to the state of TN. It really looked nice. Still not seeing very many on the road.
Have fun with yours!!
#272 of 7508 Dealer lies and games
Apr 25, 2004 (2:35 pm)
My wife and I test drove the car and loved it. I told the salesman that other dealers were asking for a $3000 premium and had a 5-6 month waiting list. He claimed that they were only charging MSRP and had no waiting lists. Their policy was first come first serve at every weekly allocation they received. After waiting two months for the color and package we wanted, we showed up at the dealer first thing in the morning to close the deal with our salesman.
Here's what happened. They had a bunch of other Prius customers there in the showroom with all the other salesman. Our salesman fills out the sales information and requests my wife's Driver's License to Photocopy. He starts to write up the sale and shows the price of the car to have a $3000 premium. We dispute it and he insists that he informed us of this at the test drive. He lied. 2 hours later after 2 sales managers had tried to push the premium on us they tell us that the color and package we wanted was already sold and we should hurry up and decide on a different color and pay the $3000 or we wouldn't get a car. We asked for her License to be returned and walked away disappointed.
The dealer created an artificial frenzied auction type environment to extort the $3000 dollars from each and every customer. Customers that had become strongly attached to the vehicle after waiting months for it. They claimed they had no choice but to ask for it based on supply and demand. Yet during the negotiations they offered us a white car for $1000 less. The night of the test drive they offered us a gold prius for $1000 off. Clearly the $3000 premium was something the dealer charged as they saw fit.
This is a terrible way to treat customers. Had they told me about the $3000 upfront, they knew I would have walked away to look for another dealer and would not get attached to buying the vehicle from them.
#273 of 7508 Re: Dealer lies and games [speedntktz #272]
Apr 25, 2004 (3:17 pm)
You're right, it is a terrible way to treat customers. Are you going to complain to Toyota about them?
#274 of 7508 Re: Dealer lies and games [speedntktz #272]
Apr 25, 2004 (6:50 pm)
They are charging $3000 over MSRP in the Fresno, CA area. You can get a car right away.Jump in front of everyone on their waiting list. This is bad business on their part so please do not pay over MSRP. There will be enough cars available sooner then you think. Lots of #9 packages seem to be available. I guess they might finally figure out that some of us do not want the fully loaded car and are willing to wait.