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Toyota Prius, Hybrid Cars
Oct 28, 2003 (2:38 pm)
I've heard from several reputable sources that the
original US production allotment of 36,000 units
has now increased to 41,000 units for the 2004 Prius.
I just wish that they'd ship them here sooner!
But, the home market has also seen a high demand
for the new 2004, so hopefully they've increased
production all around, and not just borrowed from
one market to help the other...
to put the US allotment into perspective, the
total number of Prius sold in the US, going by
the sales numbers posted each month on
http://pressroom.toyota.com/ , from US launch to
Sept. 31, 2003, was 52,170 units.
#2297 of 7508 Prius vs Camry
Oct 28, 2003 (3:15 pm)
Apparently, Toyota does not intend for the Prius to compete with the Camry, even though they are roughly similar in price and size, and many consumers will presumably cross shop them. Consumer Guide rates both in ten categories. Camry(4 cyl) rates higher in seven categories, they are tied in two categories (rear seat comfort and cargo capacity), and Prius is rated superior in one category, gas mileage (surprise!).
If there was a category for intangibles, though, I have no doubt that Prius would win it.
Oct 28, 2003 (5:14 pm)
Oops! Pressing the MAP button a second time won't turn off the NAV system; instead, it provides the closest address (down to the house number) you are next to at that exact moment.
To return to the INFO ("Energy" or "Consumption") screen, you have to press the INFO button.
#2299 of 7508 Long Distance Travel
Oct 28, 2003 (5:42 pm)
I should be getting my Prius this Friday. It will have almost 300 miles on it because I am swapping it with someone else (he wanted blue, I wanted silver) who lives in Norther Virginia. I live in Southeast Virginia but work in NY metro area, so I will drive it up to NYC on Sunday. I will let you know how it drives. My current drive is an Acura TL.....
Oct 28, 2003 (5:45 pm)
That's interesting and potentially useful. Sometimes when I am looking for an address of a building and the building number is no where to be found, looks like this function (pressing MAP a second time) will tell me if I am in the right place.
Oct 28, 2003 (6:24 pm)
___According to Toyota, Hybridís can be cheap as discussed in this article of the same name: www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,60667,00.html
Quote: "The worker is installing the hybrid engine system into the Prius just like a regular gasoline engine," assembly manager Yoshihisa Nagatani says proudly, pointing at the shell of a Prius hanging on an overhead conveyor belt as it follows a Camry.
___Maybe the Camry hanging above the Prius is a higher profit automobile? Maybe the other 3 mass-produced sedans offer a higher profit then the Prius? There definitely is a limited amount of Priusí to be built (76,000, 81,000, 100,000, 120,000 possibly?) but I have not heard of a limited amount of other Toyota Sedans for Japanís own consumption because of the Prius? I canít tell you the inner workings of what is going on in Toyota City but it sounds like simple economics such as Profits get the cake and loss leaders get the crumbs? I know, that was corny
___RCF8000 gave a blow by blow of the 04 Camry vs. 04 Prius in a head to head from a web site ... Going back to Toyotaís mention that Hybridís can be cheap, the biggest factor is not that the Camry is ahead with 7 wins, 2 ties and 1 loss vs. the Prius in those specific characteristics being measured but the fact that you can purchase a Toyota Camry LE for ~ $17,999 any day of the week (except Sundayís in my locale) from just about any large Toyota dealer anywhere in the Chicago land area. These loss? leaders include lumbar and height adjustable driver seat, Intermittent wipers, A/C, PW, PL, PM, Tilt, Cruise, AM/FM/CD w/ 6 speakers and all packaged in a truly mid-size automobile with performance supposedly exceeding the Prius in everything except for mileage and emissions (see below on the PZEV based Camry). If they are that inexpensive here, I suspect they can be purchased on the West Coast, East Coast, Southern States, Northern States, and any where else in the states for that approximate price as well. Even the 01-03 Prius was a $19,500 + vehicle at best and the 04 appears to be a $20,500 + automobile at best.
___This is the Achilles heel of the current Prius. What Cheap Hybrid is being discussed or offered? It most certainly isnít the Prius as the Camry is already much cheaper and has a larger size and more comfort with its purchase? They even make PZEV Camryís in Ca. so its not emissions. It gas mileage and the new technology. The driver receives nothing but gas mileage in the process given I donít know if there is a difference between the way the Camry and the Prius drive today. At least I havenít heard that the Prius is silent on the hwy nor have I heard the Camry is a herky - jerky driver from those that have done side by sides Ö
___I will have to retract my guesstimates on new model costs from Japan. The Prius was probably very expensive given all the new technologies but apparently, the next generation Corolla might have come at a cost between $250 and $500 million according to the article listed here: http://waw.wardsauto.com/ar/auto_shrinking_time_japanese
___As usual, I will end with this. If Toyota can make the Hybridís inexpensive, place the HSD in the Corolla LE now for $17,500 and sell 250,000 of them this model year. Place the HSD in the 04 Prius and sell 36,000 - 41,000 of them Ö Do one better. Place the HSD in a Camry this year for $20,500. Now see how many will sell!
___Wayne R. Gerdes
#2302 of 7508 People who want a Camry will buy a Camry
Oct 28, 2003 (7:22 pm)
for all of its many virtues. People who want something different than the typical mid-sized sedan will take a look at the Prius, whether because of its fuel economy or versatility or styling or high technology or whatever.
BTW, if we really must compare other cars to the Prius price-wise, we should be a little more fair and equip them a little more comparably. For example, the "stripper" Camrys that go for around $18k in my town have stick shifts, no alloy wheels, no ABS with traction control. And they are '03s (bigger depreciation as you drive off the lot), not '04s like the Prius.
About that "Achilles' Heel" of the Prius... yes, it's got such a huge heel that Toyota is pushing its plant capacity to the limit to meet demand and is considering investing in expanding its HSD plant to enable it to make even more Priuses. I'd love for the products I sell to have a "heel" like that!