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Toyota Prius, Hybrid Cars
Sep 18, 2003 (11:07 am)
sadly, a lot of the articles stating that the
Prius is at break-even or making a profit are so
old, the articles aren't up on their original sites
anymore. 8( yet, somehow the really old ones
when Toyota was losing money are still out there,
Making a profit:
Sept. 29, 2002 article: http://www.evworld.com/databases/shownews.cfm?pageid=news290902-0- 4
Sept. 24, 2002 article: http://www.catiaworld.com/lang1/mem/news/arc/_disc2n/00000061.htm
May 30, 2002 article: http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/16184/newsDate- /30-May-2002/story.htm
March 30, 2002 : http://www.acpropulsion.com/CARB/A_Brooks_Testimony/sld007.htm and another article that's unavailable for this board
Dec. 30, 2001 article: http://www.climateark.org/articles/2001/4th/hycarpit.htm
Dec. 21, 2001 article: http://www.ctnpublishing.com/pubs/ETIC/ETIC_2001/ShowTimesDay1.pd- f
Sep 18, 2003 (11:13 am)
on the 2001-2003 Prius, because of how the CVT is
set up the gasoline engine has to at least turn
at speeds over 42MPH. (Although, it does not have
to burn any fuel at speeds faster than 42MPH, and
can drive on "electric only" as the engine does
not have to always provide motive force...) (The speed is higher in the 2004s, in the low 50s MPH IIRC.)
The other question about the sound issue is what
tires were being used for the tests? Most people
who have switched away from the (US) OEM Prius
tires have found their rides to be much quieter.
Sep 18, 2003 (11:15 am)
what year was the Corolla introduced, and when did
it turn a profit? how many units were sold before
it made a profit?
#1746 of 7508 for comparison...
Sep 18, 2003 (1:36 pm)
How many other automakers offer a vehicle with PZEV emissions and real-world efficiency better than 45 MPG?
The answer is zero.
Only Honda comes close. None of the others can even remotely compete in that particular category. Expecting Toyota to develop on an even more aggressive scale is an unrealistic expectation. The pace they've established has worked quite well so far.
Sep 18, 2003 (1:42 pm)
> What happens in 10 years is irrelevant considering
> the new Prius could have been made less expensive
> with the same drive train simply by placing it in the
> newly designed Corolla last year.
But how we get there is the key. Developers don't just wave a magic-wand to make things happen overnight, it takes time.
The HSD system in the 2004 Prius is modular. They will be able to place it in a Corolla, just like you want.
Working out the issues with salespeople & mechanics is the current focus. Some are still quite uninformed. Quickly selling even more hybrids would make the situation worse, not better. And unfortunately, it would be the consumer who suffers.
A lot more must happen after the engineering is complete. Taking smaller steps helps. So that is exactly what they are doing.
Sep 18, 2003 (1:47 pm)
Anyone have a subscription to CarFax and would like to share how a nearly new 4500 mile 2003 Prius sold for $16,000 on eBay? Program Car? Rental? Totaled?????? Disgruntled owner who bought a Corolla instead because the investment didn't add up on the Prius?????????
#1749 of 7508 Prius vs Camry re Safety
Sep 18, 2003 (2:58 pm)
Thanks John and Wayne for your input. John, you have me convinced that the Prius is probably as good a bet for reliability as the Camry. Now another question: safety. Every reason to think the Prius will handle as well as a Camry in most situations, for crash avoidence (e.g., VSC, Trac, etc.). But how crashworthy will it be by comparison? Same airbags features, and let's hope its crash tests turn out well-- we won't know for a year. But here's my question: weight. The Camry weighs 3300 lbs, the Prius 2900 lbs. Safety experts: How significant is that 400 pound difference if a big vehicle hits you? Can the Prius's design overcome the difference, or is the Camry going to have a crashworthiness advantage just by being that much heavier? Or is it not a big enough amount to matter?
Sep 18, 2003 (3:14 pm)
I've been thinking about this quotient too, Barney. When you read the details of crash tests they always point out that one can't compare different types of cars due to weight differences...but, alas, let's face it when you're driving there is no one there to say it isn't a "fair" test.
Sep 18, 2003 (3:34 pm)
Official testing results won't be available for awhile. But they are expected to be quite competitive now, similar to the other vehicles Toyota offers.
ROLLOVER results will be available too. So the tests are finally becoming more informative. Being able to know ACCIDENT AVOIDANCE attributes is just as important as what happens when you crash... in fact, those that prefer not to crash in the first place deem it even more important.
Sep 18, 2003 (3:41 pm)
I don't understand why some people here have to criticize the Prius. Has any other company done the hybrid any better? Can you do better?