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Mileage Fraud!! Odometer was rolled back!!! What to do?

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Re: My Odometer was reset during service...options? [joel0622] by guzzle
Apr 07, 2007 (1:01 pm)
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Replying to: joel0622 (Apr 07, 2007 9:19 am)

Thanks All for thoughts and suggestions, Dealer never informed me that the resulting work would result in odometer rollback/reset. the actual issue was an electrical and light issue. My fault for not raising a bigger stink at the time but I had already signed off on the fixing of the original electrical issue before driving away and realizing that it was my actual odometer and not my trip counter that was 0. After heading back to the dealer that is when they informed that the fix resulted in a reset and that there is a stick on the door with the mileage at the time of work. I should refused to sign off on the service. At the time I had figured I was going to drive the truck into the ground but now drive an extra 25k a year so I need a commuter car. The even better news is that the dealer is no longer affiliated with Mazda.
Wish I hit this forum a long time ago. I'll check back in with updates.
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Re: My Odometer was reset during service...options? [guzzle] by geo9
Apr 07, 2007 (9:23 pm)
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Replying to: guzzle (Apr 07, 2007 1:01 pm)

Ya know our old friend R Royce aka Terry would label
that car TMU (true mileage unknown) and hit the trade
or auction value real low................
That was his comments on Canadian cars resold in the US with a speedo/odo changeout from KM to mph. Even with
proper paperwork and disclosure with stickers from the
importers on the door jamb..............
 
That guy is in a tough spot come trade in time.......
Thru no fault of his own ! Dealers will RUN from that
vehicle.
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Re: My Odometer was reset during service...options? [geo9] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Apr 08, 2007 (8:21 am)
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Replying to: geo9 (Apr 07, 2007 9:23 pm)

But it's not a TMU is it? I mean, the true mileage is known and provable as long as it is in the hands of the original owner. Heck, there he is, just ask him. He'll even sign a mileage statement to that effect. Even CARFAX will still record date of original mileage and then the date of the "new" mileage. So mileage will have a paper trail as well.
 
Once the original owner is out of the picture, yeah, then it might become a problem for the lazy buyer not willing to check things out, or the lazy dealer not willing to show documentation, but by then it's not the original owner's problem.
 
Sure you might scare away the overly suspicious paranoid buyer but you don't want to deal with people like that anyway. Seems to me any reasonable person will accept the documentation on the car's true mileage and the sticker's records.
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Re: My Odometer was reset during service...options? [Mr_Shiftright] by paisan
Apr 08, 2007 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 08, 2007 8:21 am)

TMU is any vehicle that has had the ODO tampered with. Documentation is worthless in this case. Best bet would be to find a cluster at a junk yard with the proper milage and swap it in. Should be fairly simple.
 
-mike
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Re: My Odometer was reset during service...options? [paisan] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Apr 08, 2007 (10:13 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 08, 2007 9:29 am)

Humf...I'm not getting this obviously. How can a car be TMU when you know the true mileage and it's on record?
 
I need to check this out more.....
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Re: My Odometer was reset during service...options? [Mr_Shiftright] by paisan
Apr 08, 2007 (4:24 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 08, 2007 10:13 am)

NYS at least, considers anything not officially on the dash board as TMU, too easy to falsify documents I suppose. Not that swapping out the gauge cluster isn't easy also, but I guess they figure less likely.
 
-mike
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Re: My Odometer was reset during service...options? [paisan] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Apr 08, 2007 (4:39 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 08, 2007 4:24 pm)

So NYS doesn't believe its own mileage declaration form?
 
IN California, the mileage declaration form is right on the Certificate of Title. You can't get more TM than that.
 
I still think this guy is okay if he sells the car. I wouldn't worry about it. Yes, you have 30 seconds of explaining to do, but with the sticker, your service records and CARFAX, you've got a very good story.
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Re: My Odometer was reset during service...options? [Mr_Shiftright] by paisan
Apr 08, 2007 (7:09 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 08, 2007 4:39 pm)

Nah no way, no dealer I know of would take it in on a trade, and I wouldn't suggest anyone I know buy such a car, no matter how good the story and supporting documentation is.
 
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
 
-mike
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I wouldn't.... by kyfdx HOST
Apr 08, 2007 (7:27 pm)
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Odometer issues? I just walk away..
 
Even if it is the most ironclad explanation with the best documentation... Because.. when I get ready to sell it, all that is now third-hand information, and the next person will be even less likely to believe it..
 
With a hundred similar used cars out there, why take a chance on anything like that? IMO, the owner has a car with diminished value.
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Re: My Odometer was reset during service...options? [Mr_Shiftright] by joel0622
Apr 09, 2007 (4:48 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 08, 2007 10:13 am)

Humf...I'm not getting this obviously. How can a car be TMU when you know the true mileage and it's on record?
 
Shifty, the reason being is that when an odometer statement is signed it reads "I______________________state that the odometer now reads" Meaning you are signing of on what the odometer says, not what the odometer says+the door sticker. And if the odometer is not the mileage then the box reading "I hearby certify that the odometer reading is NOT the actual mileage. WARNING-ODOMETER DISCREPANCY" must be checked. Which regardless of the documentation you have will scare future buyers

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