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#1817 of 5656 Re: to buy or not [saowin1]
Feb 18, 2005 (7:31 pm)
Do not buy the Lexus! We own a 2002 ES300 after owning a 2001 Acura CL Type S whose transmission died 23,000 miles. We loved the CL and Acura fixed the CL and gave us a 7yr. 100K warranty on the tranny. That was the only problem with the car but my wife insisted on getting the Lexus after we test drove one.
So far it has been reliable mechanically but has had many little problems in the 2 1/2 years we have owned it. Here is a list:
1)the drivers seat back fell off the 1st week.
2)the paint on the strip on the bottom of the drivers door flaked off in 2 large spots.
3)the shroud that covers the trunk mounted Nav system keeps falling off.
4)the dash has a constant rattle.
5)both the rear doors have a rattle when going over bumps.
6)the brake rotors warped and were replaced last month under warranty (a TSB had been issued).
The ES is extremely quiet and a soft ride but I can say the only thing I LOVE about the car is the Mark Levinson sound system (must be heard to appreciate). The car is a bore to drive. I like driving my '04 Toyota Tundra Dbl. Cab more than the Lexus. And it has absolutely not had a single quality issue. Our 3rd car is an '03 Honda S2000. Now that's a fun car to drive!
I have not driven the new TL but if you enjoy a spirited drive once in a while then I am sure it's the better choice. If you just want to go from point A to point B in a serene, unattached atmosphere with an occasional rattle as a companion then the Lexus is for you.
#1818 of 5656 Re: to buy or not [dano100]
Feb 18, 2005 (9:17 pm)
I've owned six Lexus' and now own the TL. Believe me the Acura is no more fun to drive than a Lexus "for a spirited drive once in a while" or not. That's unless you enjoy great electronics coupled with numerous rattles and buzzes and a punishing lousy ride (with the TL).
#1819 of 5656 Re: to buy or not [saowin1]
Feb 18, 2005 (10:04 pm)
I'm not trying to sell a car or anything, but my TL'04 (auto) has no problem whatsoever (21k miles).
Here are some things that you can do :
1. Go to NHTSA website and search for complaint and defect investigation. Some poster claimed that they have filed a defect investigation, tranny problems etc. You will find zilch/nada defect investigation and dont forget to compare tranny problems with other brand
2. Acura TL won first place at the 25 hours thunderhill endurance race. figure that out yourself.
3. Read the Consumer report magazine. or other magazines that shows tranny failure or defect.
4. TL has the best sales figures among G35, 330i, 325i, es330 for some time. Dont you think that defects might affect its sales?
5. There is no evidence of tranny failures. Yes there has been some dissapointments against the prev. TL (2000-early 2003) but not on the new TL'04. And if you look carefully on the prev. TL data, the tranny failed a very low miles car (some at as little as 1200 miles). Mine has 21k miles with no problem and the new TL has been on the street for 17 months(while many of the prev. model failed less than 2 months). Thats a fact or at least I have the fact(my TL'04).
6. Beware that some posters are not owners of the new TL. Ask for any evidence/fact(New TL's fact not the prev.one) if you believe them (other than his/her word).
7. There are gear ratios differences between 2003 TL's and 2004 TL's auto transmission
3rd gear 1.022 <> 1.021
4th gear 0.653 <> 0.666
5th gear 0.471 <> 0.480
Same tranny? IDK!
8. My computer has a slight vibration, could it be the sign of a tranny problem
TL maynot be the perfect car but its worth to find out the truth. Good luck!
#1820 of 5656 Re: TL vibration problems [ricko]
Feb 19, 2005 (12:49 pm)
Please keep me posted on your progress with the class-action suit. I, too, have experienced the vibration problem and will be having my '04 TL at the dealership for the third time this upcoming week (8,500 miles). I simply want a replacement for defective car.
On an unrelated note, has anyone experienced moisture on the back seats? I noticed that two of my rear seat belts has a white salt-like residue on them. I immediately took it to the dealer where they told me to clean the belts, see if the problem returned and if so, schedule an appointment. I had the car professionally detailed and five days later, the residue has returned. I have noticed minimal moisture on in the crack of the seat. Clearly, there is a leak of some sort, but I cannot locate it. I did have a '03 Accord EX-V6 that had a leak from the back glass not being properly sealed when manufactured. Anyone with a similar issue?
#1821 of 5656 Motorweek PBS review
Feb 19, 2005 (12:50 pm)
I just watched "Motorweek" on PBS. This week they reviewed the 04 TL after driving it for 30,000 miles. They first reviewed this same car when it was a new car. They loved it then. I was interested to see their comments of the same car after 30K.
The only negatives were the rear-view mirror which they didn't like because it couldn't be adjusted at enough angles and the leather driver's seat, which they said cracked around the the holes.(Why do they have those perforations. It seemed like this would inevitably be a problem)
HOWEVER, there was no mention of vibrations or rattles. Also no problems with the transmission!!!
The show is Motorweek #2425 and it started airing on PBS stations last night. Look for it in your area. You can get a tape of the show if you are in the market to buy and want a professional review of this car after 30K. Of course, there are always lemons but if they didn't mention this vibration issue then I'm going to conclude that it's not a design flaw.
The show also airs on the "Speed channel" which I don't receive. I think it's available on certain cable providers
#1822 of 5656 Re: Motorweek PBS review [doja]
Feb 19, 2005 (1:26 pm)
With large numbers of people reporting no vibration problem (I don't have one) it isn't a design fault. IMO it may be a manufacturing problem for a small number of units or maybe even just some very, very finicky drivers.
#1823 of 5656 Re: Motorweek PBS review [doja]
Feb 19, 2005 (4:05 pm)
"The only negatives were the rear-view mirror which they didn't like because it couldn't be adjusted at enough angles and the leather driver's seat, which they said cracked around the the holes."
It's too late to edit my original post but the reviewers were complaining about the SIDE view mirrors not the rear view mirror.
#1824 of 5656 Re: to buy or not [danny1878]
Feb 19, 2005 (4:19 pm)
"Beware that some posters are not owners of the new TL."
Well, that doesn't apply to me and not necessarily to others who do not wax poetic about the TL.
I agree though that one has to own the car to see what their own individual opinion(s) is(are). Don't neccessarily take my word for it, but don't say you weren't warned about TL's short comings.
#1825 of 5656 Re: to buy or not [carnaught]
Feb 19, 2005 (5:06 pm)
I guess it would depend on which Lexus. I went from a '99 LS400 to my '05 TL, and I haven't looked back. The TL is a lot more fun. The only thing I really miss is the low end torque of that 4.0L V8.
#1826 of 5656 Re: 1st Oil Change [klee3]
Feb 19, 2005 (5:41 pm)
"My 2005 TL has 550 miles on it. I've heard different mileages when people get the first oil change done. Please let me know what you think. Thanks."
When your maintenance minder tell you to.