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#9242 of 14955 Re: Avalon vs. Lexus LS 430 comparison [jayvis]
Oct 05, 2005 (5:35 pm)
Aw heck, I owned an RX300 from 2001-2002 (18 months), and it had 13 service calls for the period, not including scheduled maintenance, for various pops, ticks, and rattles, the things that normal cars experience. The L is a significant marketing tool, and they use it to the hilt. My RX300 was sold in Japan as the Toyota Harrier, same car, different name and marketing.
Don't let Lexus put a fast one on you. It's still a Toyota, with a fantastic marketing system behind it.
BTW, your LS430 is nothing but a Toyota Celsior in the big J.
#9243 of 14955 Re: Avalon vs. Lexus LS 430 comparison [havalongavalon]
Oct 05, 2005 (6:10 pm)
There is no way you can compare these two cars, I agree. However, you are stretching the misinformation on this way too thin. Don't get me wrong, I love the Avalon and I am considering it for my next car.
Firstly, the LS 430 does NOT get 7 seconds. Anybody who thinks that has clearly made up the number! Try 6.4 seconds (some say 5.9 secs. but I cannot find the source)! LS gets RWD and an air ride suspension as well, not FWD like the Avalon. The coefficient of drag for the LS 430 is 0.25 which is the best in its class.
Second, the LS 430 has heated and air-conditioned seats, they ARE available as an option. Also, your Avalons have ventilated, not air-conditioned; there is a difference. Not only are the front seats heated standard but rear seats are heated standard. link title
You also get a refrigerator for champagne, etc. in the rear armrest. The rear seats get a massaging chairs. Real wood is appointed on the LS, not fake wood like the Avalon (the Avalon's fake wood has gotta be the best kind in the industry, however).
You also get Mark Levinson stereo. This is a taaaaad better than JBL. They are both owned by Harman International, however the ML system is the ultra audiophile division of the company. You do NOT get a better amp or speakers with the JBL synthesis system, rather, a worse one. And to boot it is a 240 Watt system with less distortion than the JBL one providing much more rich sound. This is rated at .01% distortion. The wattage on the JBL system is at .10% distortion I believe? You will get a much lower wattage rating from the JBL if you measure at .01%. And oh yea, it is 11 speakers, not 7.
The Avalon is a very nice car, don't get me wrong, it just doesn't compare with the LS. My guess is that you have never test driven it? You should.
I don't know what else to say... just research the car a little better before you make a comparison like that.
#9244 of 14955 Re: Who Needs a Navigation System? [msavalon]
Oct 05, 2005 (6:18 pm)
"Regis, I just purchased the Magellan Road mate 300 from ebay and am awaiting its arrival within the next day or two. I would be interested in knowing about your installation method."
msavalon, you can view photos of my cordless, portable GPS installation at:
There are 5 photos so just choose next or previous to view all. I should mention that this will only work if your GPS has an internal battery like that in the Garmin c330.
#9246 of 14955 Navigation and telephone numbers.
Oct 05, 2005 (6:54 pm)
In my 2004 acura tl you can use telephone numbers to program the Navigation. Plug in the telephone number and it will tell you how to get to the destination. Does the Avalon's Navigation able to do this as well????
#9247 of 14955 Re: Avalon vs Lexus [easyrider300m]
Oct 05, 2005 (7:13 pm)
My 06 Avalon has 280 horsepower, not 267
#9249 of 14955 Re: Avalon vs. Lexus LS 430 comparison [tmeframe]
Oct 05, 2005 (7:27 pm)
Do you really think that what happened with your RX300 is actually normal for the brand? It looks like from what you are saying that it is. Owner reports show it is not, and consistently at that.
"My RX300 was sold in Japan as the Toyota Harrier, same car, different name and marketing... BTW, your LS430 is nothing but a Toyota Celsior in the big J."
So? And this is a bad thing? BTW, the RX330 in Japan as the Harrier have the same appointments. There is also a Kluger, the Highlander, which are identical to each other. The Harrier is a step up from the Kruger, just like the RX is a step up from the Highlander.
Good luck finding a car on the Toyota line-up that has the same features as the Lexus LS! You will find a lot of Toyota cars in Japan like the Crown that have features that you will only find in Maybachs and only in top-trimmed S-Classes and 7-Series. Does this STILL mean that Lexus's are just nothing more than rebadged Toyota's? Yes, I guess. But does this mean that Lexus's are nothing better than the rest of the luxury industry and are unjustified in their prices? NO! They consistently offer more than their counterparts at a better price.
There will be no model sharing between Toyota and Lexus from 2007 and on with exception to the ES model. The next generation LS will no longer be a Celsior in Japan. The IS is no longer an Altezza, and the GS is no longer an Aristo.
This is a Toyota Crown (full outfitted with fold-out, padded, leather footrests that come out of the front seats, refridgerator box in the rear seat armrest, Mark Levinson audio, etc.):
These pics don't even do the car anywhere near justice but it gives an idea. This car does not come to other markets as a Lexus.
#9250 of 14955 Re: Who Needs a Navigation System? [regis]
Oct 05, 2005 (7:31 pm)
Regis, Thanks for the pics. Everytime I see your Blizzard Pearl w/the added tint I get closer to having it done to mine. Good idea of detaching the power cord on the C330, never would have thought about doing away with the cord for shorter trips (I still use the Garmin in my SUV and still enjoy it).
Noticed you have a wood steering wheel on your XLS. Did you have that added or is that just another thing that comes with the cars shipped north (along with the front plate bracket)?
#9251 of 14955 Re: HID headlamps [gladiator99]
Oct 05, 2005 (7:56 pm)
Thx gladiator99. Let me know how the results pan out