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#5749 of 14963 Re: Repost of Problems? With an '05 Avalon?! [tmeframe]
May 18, 2005 (5:32 pm)
thanks for re-posting the defects you encountered. My comments follow your listed defects:
"1) Wind noise - a whistling noise when going down the street that can be changed by moving the air-conditioner to recirculate or not."
When I read this, it seemed it had to be related to the hole where the drain hose belonged, as you then clarified in a later post. So, you know that the drain hose was missing from day 1.
"3) On strong bumps, left driver's door window emits creaking sounds
A loose door. Toyota engineers should take notice of this and institute changes on the production line"
Reading this worries me. The shiny black frames around the Avalon door windows look very similar to the window frames in my 2003 Honda Pilot. I have heard creaky noises in the Pilot, and found out only recently that Pilot window frames are notorious for making creaky noises (see post #118 in the "Honda Pilot Problems and Solutions" forum). Not sure yet if there is a real cure for the Pilot noises (still have to read later posts there).
"5) The lower center console squeaks badly, and needs to be looked at.
This is just a poor design - the lower console is held in place by only 4 sheetmetal brackets or similar, and this allows the console to flex quite a bit. When I turn a corner, my body shifts and I lean into it causing the creaking - again, bad design, and the only remaining open complaint."
I tested this today. I could make the console creak quite a bit by holding onto its pwood edges and pushing on it. Same with trim on the dash; if you poke at it, it can make noises. It's surprising that a lot more noises are not heard in normal travel...
"6) The Front Passenger's door makes noises over sharp bumps, almost sounding like rubber on rubber (similar to #3)"
Sounds ominous. What about the rear doors...?
May 18, 2005 (5:37 pm)
"and thank you havalongavalon for the assist. "
You are most welcome, Pat. I figured you were on a rare coffee break, maybe.
#5751 of 14963 Re: Hesitation [barclay3]
May 18, 2005 (5:45 pm)
Glad to read about your positive experience!
Both your negatives are curable: 1) install bumper sensors for backing up, and 2) can turn off the radio from the steering wheel by pressing the "MODE" button for over 1 second (I learned this from an earlier post on this forum).
#5752 of 14963 Re: Hesitation [barclay3]
May 18, 2005 (5:50 pm)
Barclay3, you can turn off the radio from the wheel. Press and hold the mode button for 3 seconds, powers off Audio all together.
#5753 of 14963 Re: Hesitation [barclay3]
May 18, 2005 (6:12 pm)
No, I was supposed to get the gold pkg today, but two of my sons and daughter-in-law discouraged me - they said the chrome looked better, so I put it off until I can see one with it. I just know I would like it. Someday I will learn not to listen to them. Also, there was a post on here once upon a time that told how to turn off the radio with the steering controls. You had to press the mode button(I think) for 4 seconds. I tried it and it worked. Experiment, but I think it was the mode button. I don't ever turn mine off, so it has been so long I have forgotten. Do you like the color? I have noticed that in cloudy weather it looks deep burgundy but in bright sunlight it looks almost red. So we have a "dual" colored car. Ha, Ha. I just try to turn my head when I see a black one because that is still my favorite!
#5754 of 14963 Another positive Avalon review plus Movie Clip
May 18, 2005 (6:17 pm)
Hey just me, where are you? Come back, you are needed. This is your job... Can't expect me to do everything around here!
This reviewer really liked the XLS, has original views on some features of engine and transmission, shows nice photos of an Indigo. There is also a link to a Movie Clip that shows details close up.
"The entire cabin of the Avalon could literally be lifted and dropped into any Lexus. The dash is lovely, classy even. It is ergonomically designed and assembled with care. The resistance of each button is exactly calibrated to feel expensive and are within easy reach of the driver or passenger. I will say that I am not too crazy about the "bright white" lighting of the HVAC controls. At night, they become a blur of white light.
On the road The new 3.5L engine is very strong and pulls very hard, yet always remains civilised. The motor feels like it has a switch; it can be docile and refined one moment and the next, be nervous and explosive. A Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde kind of deal.
The new Avalon could be considered the latest Q-Ship on our roads: it is unassuming, unpretentious, unadorned and just plain fast. Most people would never imagine that a Toyota Avalon, if they even know what it is, could move so quickly. It certainly is not the fastest car on the road but a 0-100 km/h of 6.5 seconds is as quick as the new 2006 BMW 330i with the new 255 hp 3.0L engine and a 6-speed manual transmission.
The automatic transmission shifts smoothly, almost invisibly. It seems as though it is tight like a drum; it never missed a beat even when driven as if it was a Celica GTS. The manual-mode shift is quick on the draw and adds another small dose of sportiness to the big car. This transmission and engine combination would, in the right circumstances, downshift from second into first gear and permit the wheels to spin for a second. Some would-be sport sedans are simply unable to do this.
The brakes work quite well but the pedal is very soft and needs to be pushed really hard when stopping briskly. It is unfortunate that the pedal must be pushed so far towards the firewall to give the impression that the car will come to a full stop.
This car is actually one of the surprises of the year for me.
Not so good stuff:
Spongy brake pedal"
Sounds like Toyota Canada gave this reviewer a well-broken-in XLS for testing...! On the other hand, have we had any serious negative findings raised by Canadian Avalon owners, yet?
#5755 of 14963 Re: Uh..One last thing on the subject.... [tmeframe]
May 18, 2005 (6:21 pm)
How do you know that Toyota monitors this forum? I would like to believe that they do. . . .
In general, I am not convinced that "constructive" feedback given to a dealer, or to a service writer, necessarily gets passed up to the corporate engineers who need to hear the feedback.
Anything that owners can do to inform Toyota of drivability and safety concerns in a semi-official manner might be helpful.
#5756 of 14963 Re: Another positive Avalon review plus Movie Clip [havalongavalon]
May 18, 2005 (6:27 pm)
Do we know for sure that the Canadian Avalon is running the same engine/transmission software as the American Avalon ??? In concept there could be two sets of algorithms, one specifically set to American EPA / CARB rules, and one for Canada.
#5757 of 14963 Re: Another positive Avalon review plus Movie Clip [bettersafe]
May 18, 2005 (6:29 pm)
You now, bettersafe, that's a very good point. How can we find out?
#5758 of 14963 Re: Repost of Problems? With an '05 Avalon?! [tmeframe]
May 18, 2005 (6:33 pm)
My guess is that, with admirable nobility, you have taken it upon yourself to endure numerous Avalon failings that were officially scheduled to be parceled out to countless other owners. Your generous altruism has improved the lives of many who have not suffered the effects of Toyota gremlins because you had the strength of character to relieve others of insufferable burdens. Please accept our humble thanks and our fervent wishes that your Days of Lemon have passed.