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#1395 of 14961 Still Waiting for mine, but got a 745 for now
Feb 07, 2005 (5:59 pm)
Well my dealer sold my 2003 Denali for me on last Friday, and gave me a 745i BMW 2002 to drive until the Avalon comes in.
I understand the cost cutting features. But if you want ever gizmo, but cheap plastic look towards GM and the cars I used to drive. I tell my wife the Japanese manufacturers (toyota and honda) build better quality cars, but they remove "little" features that are standard on GM much cheaper cars. Example, Honda Ody no auto on and off headlights without the expensive touring vehicles. My Sienna, at $37000 no battery auto shut off. My wifes Honda CRV, lesser models without an armrest on the inside of the passenger seat (don't they have left arms in Japan? . ).
It is going to be hard to go from the BMW to the Avalon. But I cannot wait. Black with a spoiler and remote start.
Feb 07, 2005 (6:10 pm)
The new Camry's are uncomfortable for tall rear passengers- we just don't fit. From the published specs the headroom on the 2005 Avalon is worse. I'm not going to buy a LARGE sedan if you can only put 12 year olds in the back seat. (There are plenty of sports sedans with the features, quality and "toys" the Avalon offers if I don't need to carry adult passengers.)
I am hoping that when I actually see one, a 6 footer can fit in a 2005 Avalon without hitting their head on the roof.
#1397 of 14961 Re: pope and bluesman [mackabee]
Feb 07, 2005 (6:23 pm)
"They could blow away GM right now if they wanted to."
I've been a dyed in wool GM buyer for years although I did slip in a Honda and Benz along the way. What I can't figure out is why they (GM) can't improve their reliability ratings and on par with or above the Japanese cars? Plus they need some models that have more sex appeal. Some may like the retro look as in the SSR, but it looks to be a very limited market (and don't see much appeal). And the Olds had more appeal than the Buick IMHO. Most important they need to develop an image of QUALITY above everything else.
But I'm off topic as this is a Toyota board.
#1398 of 14961 tasso, surrfurtom
Feb 07, 2005 (6:54 pm)
Tasso, the Sienna does have a battery saver feature. If you leave your interior lights on say with a door ajar, they will go off in a certain amount of time preventing battery discharge.
GM is way behind the times. Their problem is they are only focused in short term gain as opposed to the Japanese manufacturers which look at the long term picture. Don't get me wrong, I'm a dyed in the wool American and would prefer to buy American but the quality and reliability is not there.
#1399 of 14961 Re: no key for trunk? [mcardle]
Feb 07, 2005 (8:31 pm)
Bad! It is not! Toyota has done it again.
Go to toyota.com today for the new Avalons. The tech is so great on the web site that you can open doors, open the trunk and hood. In fact you can turn the car upside down. what a great way to help a possible customer. I have really enjoyed reading this discussion group. Thanks to everyone. I will be ordering my sixth Avalon next month.
Feb 07, 2005 (9:26 pm)
thanks for the report Alpha (I'm looking forward to your test drive). We're looking forward to taking a test drive ourselves sometime next week. If for some reason we don't like it, we can always get a Camry XLE V6.
#1401 of 14961 Reply to ederzawiec... by Just Me..
Feb 07, 2005 (9:57 pm)
This board proves "different strokes for different folks". I am six feet and when I bought my first Avalon and now my fourth the 2005, I always sat in the back seat to check it out for room since my passengers were important to me as far as their comfort. I have a friend who is six two, if for nothing else, there is plenty of head room and with the front seats moved back all the way my friends knees as well as mine never get anywhere near the front seat, and more head room when you recline the rear seats. Now as far as side molding. The following cars from the pictures I saw in consumers Jan issue 2005 have no side molding. The Mazda Miata, Honda S2000, Cadillac STS and XLR, Infiniti FX, BMWZ4, Porsche Boxster, Lexus LS430, Jaguar S-Type,and BMW 5 Series. According to Consumers Jan issue, the following classified as large sedans on page 10, the Avalon was number one listed as excellent. On page 10 heading of "Predicted Reliability" of the best and worst. On the Best side in order of best first as follows. Lexus IS300, Acura RL (previous generation), Camry 4 cylinder, Avalon, Lexus 430, GS300, GS 430 (previous generation), Buick Regal (discontinued), Pontiac Grand Prix, Honda Sonata, and the Infiniti G35. ------------The worst were as follows in ascending order. Mercedes Benz S Class, Jaguar S-Type, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar X-Type, Mercedes benz E Class, Volvo560, or S60?, Saab 9-3, Pontiac Grand Prix supercharged, Volkswagen Passat (AWD), and the BMW 5 Series. Believing after owning three Avalons, that Toyota wasn't going to diminish the quality of the ride for 2005 since they want to become number one, I purchased my XLS as I posted earlier, knowing they might do away with some small features to pretty much hold the price to last year because of this more powerful engine and the reclining rear seat feature, and door over the radio etc., dual exhaust, the wheel base being larger and the 17 inch tires I do believe will give a better ride. The 17 inch tires alone cost more, they had to cut somewhere. So if the plastic is a little firmer but I have a better overall ride I'm a happy camper. I rarely used the extension on the sun visor, so it won't be missed. Okay, I share my thoughts and research, the rest is up to you. If you need a gigantic trunk because you put four golf bags inside or have a huge family and need plenty of space for the luggage, then an inferior car with a larger trunk might be your choice. For me, the slight loss in size is meaningless, and I will never put four loaded golf bags in my car, I have friends who have their own transportation to the golf course and where I live we take the golf cart. I still think for overall comfort, power, ride, space front and rear, this is the best value and I don't care if the rear looks like something else, personally I think it's very nice. I didn't expect a Mercedes for this price, and if you read above best and worse, why purchase a Mercedes unless a name plate is important to you. I would rather have the additional bucks for something else.
#1402 of 14961 Just Me..Re: Door Moldings [prince812]
Feb 07, 2005 (10:25 pm)
One last thing. If you go to www.Toyota.com like mcardle said, you will see side molding at the bottom of the doors which may or may not prevent dings?? In some cases yes, and in some I guess not. Honestly I have gotten dings on most of my cars with side molding in the center anywhere. It depends on whats coming at you, someone opening the door of their car next to yours, or the shopping cart at a supermarket, or whatever else.
#1404 of 14961 Avalon pricing
Feb 08, 2005 (3:13 am)
Jordan7, at least 1 dealer has told me in an e-mail that they will be charging MSRP for awhile. I posted that e-mail here last week. It is Ourisman Toyota in Md.