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#13885 of 14965 Toyota Thoughts....
Aug 20, 2007 (6:49 pm)
One of the problems here is that Toyota has been so good for so long that any problem, however small, takes on major dimensions. We are all happy with Toyota's success and love the cars. And we are all very sad when Toyota makes a transmission that has problems, puts in cheaper interiors, omits things others given away by others in lesser priced models, etc. We are all seeking near Lexus quality and in some cases paying near Lexus prices.
Always remember that Toyota is not alone in the mistakes game. Honda, Ford, you name it... they all have had problems with various models. Check the Edmunds.com boards. And yes, they repaired them, just as Toyota is finally attempting a fix on the few cars with shifting defects. The disappointment is that so many people at Toyota said, "It's normal." Just like "Sir, that's gravity pulling your car to the right in a parking lot." Nonsense.
Since 1995 we have had four V6 Honda's and three Avalons in the extended family. All have been near perfect. If Toyota is to keep the lead they have they must not get cheap or sloppy. Admit mistakes, change designs, fix the problems and move on selling good cars. Earn our business, essentially. The competition is out there.....
Enjoy your Avalons, all. My '07 Limited is at 10.5k, has had nothing but oil changes, gets 31+ mpg on the road and is perfect so far.
#13886 of 14965 Re: 08 Avalon plood [tjc78]
Aug 20, 2007 (6:56 pm)
To Tjc78: Thanks for the info.regarding installing new seat. Yeah, probably would be expensive. The track & motor went out on my 2000 avalon and it was $1300!! Under warranty, thankfully.
#13887 of 14965 Re: 08 Avalon plood [alan_s]
Aug 20, 2007 (8:43 pm)
#13888 of 14965 Salesman Input on this Forum
Aug 21, 2007 (10:00 am)
I think the vast majority of us appreciate your input Mackabee. Your point about having repeat customers resonates with me. That only happened once in my case (we have bought >20 new vehicles) and that particular sales person knew his cars and was a straight shooter as well. I for one definitely appreciate your comments. btw, that transmission fix for our '06 Avalon has it running like a new rig.
#13889 of 14965 Re: 08 Avalon plood [mackabee]
Aug 21, 2007 (10:57 am)
I have run into many honest people in my life, I am not knocking car salesman just giving my experience, dealing with people is not a job I would want or take I prefer machines as in computer systems. I really do not believe the salesman lied, I believe he did not KNOW HIS product, he was a nice guy but a rely bad salesman, my daughter met him and dumped him immediately, I of the old school felt an obligation to him because of time spent with me. I ended up dealing with the sales manager because he simply forgot the basic rule of The Customer Comes First & also pays your salary & commission. As said before I bring up the RemStart to warn potential buyers away from what I deem to be an expensive useless accessory. As far as knowing how to operate it well, I could analyze, test and fix $15,000,000 systems BUT to operate this remote one first better have strong nails, tiny hands and perseverance. The buttons are SO small I need to use my thumbnail to push them, it took the service dept 3 tries to get it to perform as expected and directed and then only operates at about 30 feet, so one starts it and by the time it starts you are standing next to it, touch the door and it IMMEDIATELY SHUTS OFF THE ENGINE,so whats the point. My Camry operated at 300 feet and the car was toasty warm or nice and cool when you opened the door and drove off and yes I expected the Avalon as their top model to perform similarly, which it does not, did you tell ALL your customers of the inane actions of this accessory and if so how many purchased it.
#13890 of 14965 Re: 08 Avalon plood [jlsexton]
Aug 21, 2007 (12:34 pm)
The confrontational tone some of you are taking is not necessary. Mackabee has been a great help in these Forums for something in the neighborhood of 8 or 9 years. There is no reason to assume he's being less than straightforward about anything.
And before someone points out that the date he joined is April 13, 2001 which is not 8 or 9 years ago, please notice that's the date I "joined" as well. That is the date that the Forums moved from a different platform to this one. Everyone who has that date moved with us and has been around a very long time.
#13891 of 14965 Re: 08 Avalon plood [jlsexton]
Aug 21, 2007 (2:40 pm)
I can understand your frustration with the remote start. You push three times and hold. The reason the car shuts off when you open the door is for safety and security of the owner. Imagine this scenario if this were not the case: You start the car after exiting your favorite restaurant or theater. As you approach the car the door can now be opened and without warning a car jacker jumps in the car and drives away.
Aug 21, 2007 (2:45 pm)
Did not get a chance to drive our first 08 Limited. It was sold before it was PDI'd. It was the Cassis red pearl with the ivory interior. The dark plastic wood looks like a walnut veneer. It looks better than the blond wood but I prefer the dark wood from the previous years to this one. The front bumper has cues from the Lexus ES 350. The round fog lights and the laser cruise window look out of place on such a nice car. The door handles are now all chrome along with the front grille. I guess Toyota figures we Americans are suckers for chrome..
#13893 of 14965 Re: 08 Avalon plood [mackabee]
Aug 23, 2007 (8:39 am)
Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. Having worked in the quality field for a number of years, there's usually complexity around cause(s)/effect(s)..it's rarely straightforward. In the case of Yota tanny problems, it's probably some combination of design, supply and/or build quality that contributes to the problem. Whatever the problem is/was, it prompted management to take action and eat their phrase "after evaluation of the probnlem it has been determined that the car performs normally".
#13894 of 14965 Re: 08 Avalon plood [mackabee]
Aug 23, 2007 (3:28 pm)
I got the same exact scenario from Toyotas tech dept, without being confrontational (as warned) is this something Toyota distributes to its dealers. This was their response when I asked them to re-program the prom chip. I'm not a huge guy but as stated I must use my thumbnail to press the buttons, this alone is stupid. The Camry had ONE button to start and ONE button to lock or unlock and all people size. As far as carjackers, do you really believe the vehicle shutting down is going to stop a determined thief when all he has to do is grab the unit out of your hand or off your still body and to be honest I always used and understood the Castle Law as applied in many states, the carjacker would have as much to worry about as I would, perhaps more, depending on his status. Did Toyota suddenly discover carjacking in 2005, as stated my Camry kept running after being RS at 300 feet, it merely locked all the doors. Since I cannot be confrontational I will not tell you my reply to that response when the tech dept used it. This is so simple the service guy took several tries. Enough of this, you must be a good salesman, first they kept you and second you have repeat customers as you said. My Avalon has had no problems except for the fuel door sticking and that was caused by that tether they used, not flexible enough and it got twisted.