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Toyota Avalon, Sedan
#13878 of 14965 Re: 08 Avalon plood [alan_s]
Aug 20, 2007 (2:06 pm)
Sold my 06 Avlon Ltd with only 8,400 miles--tired of the "quirky tranny" problem. I know how a transmission should shift. I could over ride the problem by "manually" shifting to 1st and then once moving--slide it back into auto mode--worked everytime. If I didn't do this--it would rev to 3,000 + RPM's and then lurch forward. Loved the car except for the tranny problem. Had my next door neighbor drive the car and didn't say anything about the tranny problem. Of course it happened to him and he was amazed. He drives a 1998 Camry with near 200,000 miles--NEVER a problem. Too many people experiencing Avalon tranny problems for it to be an isolated case or two. I guess the TSB is helping--just too late for me. Toyota is having problems and people now realizing as a company they're reputation is being put to the test.
#13879 of 14965 Re: 08 Avalon plood [bobwiley]
Aug 20, 2007 (3:00 pm)
It is a well documented scenario that the recent Toyota DBW software would intentionally delay the engagement of tranny - to avoid excessive wear on drive shaft as reported on early Lexus RX. Technically, it is unlike, e.g., the recent MBZ 7-gear tranny issue or 1999-2004 Honda tranny where the tranny hardware actually failed. To the average consumers, that shows up as "problematic" and "quirky". All is true. Maybe Toyota should have said "the hell with the excessive wear, let them have the power and burn their own drive shaft". perhaps Toyota should upgrade their hardware enough so they don't need this DRW babysitting? Bad reps they got, but I don't know the best solution there. How did their recent TSB fix the problem? I don't want to know. I would just drive gently at low speed
Hope Toyota learned the lesson, a reputation shall (hopefully) worth more than profit in some case. That most consumers are just plain dumb dudes who wants everything and pays nothing, that plenty of people are hating them for becoming big, and just waiting to bite on anything.
I don't work for toyota, don't hate GM or in love with MBZ. At the end, hopefully companies that builds good honest car should succeed, as other things in life.
#13880 of 14965 Re: 08 Avalon plood [wwest]
Aug 20, 2007 (4:13 pm)
Well, I'm not your typical salesman. I am quite knowledgeabe about the products I sell. I hang around these forums to educate and not to solicit business as others that have come and gone done.
#13881 of 14965 Re: 08 Avalon plood [jlsexton]
Aug 20, 2007 (4:16 pm)
I bought a lot of cars too and read my owner's manuals from cover to cover. Again, the remote start is easy to use if you know how to use it. I have never lied to a customer to sell a car. I don't put the competition down, I tell the customer why my product is better. I'm sorry you have not run into a real salesperson when you bought your cars.
#13882 of 14965 Re: 08 Avalon plood [alan_s]
Aug 20, 2007 (4:20 pm)
I spend plenty of time talking with my customers. I call them three days after the sale, a week after the sale, three months after, six months after, years after, call them on their birthdays, etc. I have a loyal following because I'm a straight shooter. How many cars have you bought from one particular salesperson?
#13883 of 14965 Re: 08 Avalon plood [alan_s]
Aug 20, 2007 (4:29 pm)
I am not denying that some customers complained about the "hesitation" transmission. Just not the ones that I sold. I had a customer with the problematic transmission on the 07 Camry V6, went to arbitration. Toyota bought the car back and we got her the identical car. She had another Camry provided by our dealership to drive while hers came in.
Yes, I'm passionate about the cars I sell because I also own them. Nine Toyotas have been in my household since 1981. Five are still with us. Do I think Toyota can't do no wrong? No. I have been one of their loudest critics. All you have to do is search my posts. When this generation Avalon came out I was the first to point out the inferior materials in comparison to the previous generation. The 4 way passenger seat, the single stiched leather, the plastic wood, etc. Same thing with the Camry 07. Cheap plastic, no full size spare, tiny power lock switches, you name it I said it. Ditto the 08 Highlander. Should I go on? So before you start the personal attacks do some research on this website to find out where I'm coming from. The hosts will vouch for me. Some of them even personally.
#13884 of 14965 Re: 08 Avalon plood [mackabee]
Aug 20, 2007 (5:49 pm)
Mackabee, it was not my intention to personally attack you and if it was taken as such, then I apologize. It was a facetious, rather dry-humored retort considering that the hesitation issue seems to be very well known.
I think it was a Benny Hill episode where a character exclaimed "I've never been insulted like this in all my life!" to which Benny instantly replied "You need to get around more!"
#13885 of 14965 Toyota Thoughts....
Aug 20, 2007 (6:49 pm)
One of the problems here is that Toyota has been so good for so long that any problem, however small, takes on major dimensions. We are all happy with Toyota's success and love the cars. And we are all very sad when Toyota makes a transmission that has problems, puts in cheaper interiors, omits things others given away by others in lesser priced models, etc. We are all seeking near Lexus quality and in some cases paying near Lexus prices.
Always remember that Toyota is not alone in the mistakes game. Honda, Ford, you name it... they all have had problems with various models. Check the Edmunds.com boards. And yes, they repaired them, just as Toyota is finally attempting a fix on the few cars with shifting defects. The disappointment is that so many people at Toyota said, "It's normal." Just like "Sir, that's gravity pulling your car to the right in a parking lot." Nonsense.
Since 1995 we have had four V6 Honda's and three Avalons in the extended family. All have been near perfect. If Toyota is to keep the lead they have they must not get cheap or sloppy. Admit mistakes, change designs, fix the problems and move on selling good cars. Earn our business, essentially. The competition is out there.....
Enjoy your Avalons, all. My '07 Limited is at 10.5k, has had nothing but oil changes, gets 31+ mpg on the road and is perfect so far.
#13886 of 14965 Re: 08 Avalon plood [tjc78]
Aug 20, 2007 (6:56 pm)
To Tjc78: Thanks for the info.regarding installing new seat. Yeah, probably would be expensive. The track & motor went out on my 2000 avalon and it was $1300!! Under warranty, thankfully.
#13887 of 14965 Re: 08 Avalon plood [alan_s]
Aug 20, 2007 (8:43 pm)