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Re: Reminder -- how to cure quirky shifting episodes [captain2] by havalongavalon
Feb 16, 2007 (2:21 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 16, 2007 2:00 pm)

Are you leaving the tranny in S5, and 'nudging' the upshifts with your right foot, or a manual gear change?
 
Manually. I keep my foot off the gas pedal as much as possible; I find this helps the FE more than anything else! Pun intended; but really, it's interesting how little you need to step on the gas with the Av, even up hills.
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Re: Backup Camera [jlsexton] by pat HOST
Feb 16, 2007 (2:51 pm)
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Replying to: jlsexton (Feb 16, 2007 12:58 pm)

About the email, hit the Tracking link (it either says Change Tracking or Track this Discussion) at the end of the message list. You should have a check box to get emails sent when new messages are posted.
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Re: Reminder -- how to cure quirky shifting episodes [havalongavalon] by bobwiley
Feb 16, 2007 (7:02 pm)
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Replying to: havalongavalon (Feb 15, 2007 7:41 pm)

Hi Havalong--I'll try it a few times--I'm tired of trying to "teach" a $40K car how to be driven! I'll let all know the results.
Bob
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Re: Backup Camera [jlsexton] by ange
Feb 17, 2007 (6:27 am)
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Replying to: jlsexton (Feb 16, 2007 12:58 pm)

It would be difficult to bump into the backup camera mounted on the top side of license plate bracket. The camera part is indented about 1 inch from the edge of the bumper.
 
The cost of the plate camera and the OEM Navigation Dual Video Input Interface Module With Wiring Harness was about $500.
 
I looked at the bumper ,drill a hole camera, and the square units and decided they looked a little out of place and did not do anything to add positively to car.
 
I got the silver plate-camera to match the toyota emblems on the trunk. ange
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Re: Backup Camera [havalongavalon] by ange
Feb 17, 2007 (6:43 am)
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Replying to: havalongavalon (Feb 16, 2007 1:53 pm)

The wiring was not too difficult. I removed the rear seat, lifted up the front and back kick plates, slipped the wires along, and then under the panel near the emergency brake. I drilled a hole through the trunk and installed the rubber a seal. I had to guess at the wire going to back up lights. On the second try, with a volt meter, found power.
 
One thing I noticed, Toyota did a super job designing the kick plates. Really well made. Thes are the best I have ever seen. ange
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Re: Reminder -- how to cure quirky shifting episodes [wwest] by havalongavalon
Feb 17, 2007 (8:54 am)
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Replying to: wwest (Feb 16, 2007 10:25 am)

With a manual transaxle and FWD you would NEVER consider using engine braking to slow the vehicle if the roadbed is slippery or you have reason to suspect it to be slippery (...)
  
Not having an easy method for detecting roadbed condition most manufacturers of FWD have recently chosen to revise the automatic transaxle shift schedule in a manner that virtually eliminates engine braking on those front wheels at all times.

 
wwest,
 
I just confirmed that if in D, my 2005 Av XLS does downshift when I apply the brakes coming down a hill at say 100 km/h to reduce speed to 70, it automatically downshifts from 5th to 4th gear. When I drive in S5 on the same hill and apply the brakes in the same manner, it does not downshift.
 
You say this programmed downshift is dangerous. Since the Av is equipped with multiple sensors ("It may be icy?") I wonder whether it is also programmed to not downshift when conditions are dangerously slippery? I have not checked this.
 
Also, if things go sour I expect the Av VSC to take over. But, wouldn't VSC actions also involve downshifting?
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Re: Reminder -- how to cure quirky shifting episodes [captain2] by havalongavalon
Feb 17, 2007 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 16, 2007 2:00 pm)

Captain,
 
Earlier I mentioned the FE benefit of driving in S5, UP hills. Since the Av is programmed to use engine braking when in D, and engine braking is likely to affect FE, driving in S5 DOWN hills is also likely to improve FE.
 
Maybe you'll want to visit New Mexico to check this out
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Re: Backup Camera [ange] by jlsexton
Feb 17, 2007 (10:51 am)
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Replying to: ange (Feb 17, 2007 6:27 am)

I'll take your word on it and thank you for the heads-up on the wiring. I also prefer a wired camera to the wirelss, is there a particular product superior to the others. I often use buydig.com but a search might find me one.
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Re: Reminder -- how to cure quirky shifting episodes [havalongavalon] by wwest
Feb 17, 2007 (10:56 am)
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Replying to: havalongavalon (Feb 17, 2007 8:54 am)

To alleviate the possibility of stalling the engine when you apply the brakes the lockup clutch is ALWAYS disabled the instant the brake lights come on. And absent the lockup clutch the transaxle CANNOT run in any O/D gear ratio.
 
So yes, upon brake application the SOLID COUPLING from the engine to the drive wheels MUST be removed in favor of the slush pump, torque converter, only.
 
Obviously, also, you will get less engine braking via the slush pump vs the solid engine coupling provided by the lockup clutch.
 
VSC uses brake application, or if the brakes are already applied brake UN-application.
 
My 2001 AWD RX300 will apply both rear brakes, to help slow the RX and thereby regain traction at the front, if understearing is detected. If braking is already applied it will "lighten" the braking at the front. With overstearing it will brake the front wheel on the outside of the turn/skid, or "lighten" the braking on the inside front wheel.
 
Apparently Ford is already using the OAT sensor readings to significantly reduce the level of regenerative braking on the FWD hybrid Escape and Mariner vehicles when the local climate nears or is below freezing.
 
More marques to follow...?
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Re: Reminder -- how to cure quirky shifting episodes [havalongavalon] by captain2
Feb 17, 2007 (2:20 pm)
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Replying to: havalongavalon (Feb 17, 2007 9:06 am)

the fact that you can upshift uphill would be a testament to the flat torque curve that our 2GRs have . Don't tempt me, might just have to poke my skis thru the back seat, and get over to Taos. I would actually look forward to the 1000 mile+ drive and the 2 tanks of gas it would take to do it.
Did rotate my tires today, my Michelins (after 43k) looking like they need replacing soon - anybody got any ideas?

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