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#1331 of 14965 Purchased 2005 Avalon
Feb 04, 2005 (3:28 pm)
Hello. This is my first post, although I have been reading this discussion thread for some time. I have appreciated all the info that I have obtained by reading what has been posted here.
I own a 2001 Avalon XLS, which I purchased new in Feb. 2001. It has been a very reliable car, which I have enjoyed owning the past four years. I just returned from the local Toyota dealer where I purchased their first 2005 Avalon, which was a Desert Sand Limited model. The only options on the car were the VSC/TRAC/BA and Carpeted Floor and Trunk Mats. The MSRP was $34,929, which is what I paid, but, I did get them to add XM Satellite Radio, All Weather Mats, & Mud Guards at no additional charge.
Yes, I know that in a few weeks/months I could have probably saved more money as they will probably be discounting them by then. But, I had the opportunity to sell my 2001 Avalon privately at a very good price to a good friend(it is in excellent condition with only 32K miles). Once I drove the new 2005 Avalon I was very impressed, compared to my 2001 Avalon. The 2005 felt a lot like my 1990 Lexus LS 400, which I bought new in 1990 and kept for 5 years (all trouble free). The increased power and lack of noise, vibration, and harshness was impressive. For those of you that are wondering, Yes, I am close to the age range of their target market (I am 55).
In any event, I should pick the car up around the middle of next week, after they get the additional options installed that are part of my deal.
Thanks again for all the usefull info that has been posted in this thread. I look forward to many trouble fee miles of ownership with my 2005 Avalon.
#1332 of 14965 Compare with Mercury Montego??
Feb 04, 2005 (3:30 pm)
Has anyone compared a Limited with the Mercury Montego top-of-the-line with all wheel drive? The Mercury specs give more head room, plenty of rear seat, huge trunk and all-wheel drive...but is it a good comfortable old-folks ride?
Feb 04, 2005 (3:37 pm)
Just wanted to shed a little extra light on a statement that future1 made about Nav systems in general.
When using a Nav system, it is true that your car is using US Military sattelites to track its position. However it is not the sattelites that are tracking you, but the car that is tracking the sattelites.
Basically, don't be afraid that someone could be tracking you. Nav systems receive generic signals from various sattelites, and use that information to calculate its position on a map. Just like no one in the world can tell if you are listening to a radio station, no one can tell if you are using a Nav system.
Another interesting FYI, is that the US Millitary nav sattelites do allow for position finding, down to just a few inches, however those signals are reserved for just the Millitary, we civilians get the within 50 foot stuff.
#1334 of 14965 Experience buying a 1st year model
Feb 04, 2005 (4:27 pm)
I bought the first sequoia they had on the lot and have been very happy...
I would have preferred to wait, but needed the vehicle then and my choices were (1) brand new toyo model, or (2) existing domestic. I thought there was less risk in the toyo.
I remain convinced that a new av will be more reliable than a 300, a 500, any older model comparable domestic or any vw, mb, bmw, volvo.
That said, I won't buy until prices are negotiable.
#1335 of 14965 Re: Nav FYI [fd1000]
Feb 04, 2005 (4:52 pm)
fd1000: When using a Nav system, it is true that your car is using US Military sattelites to track its position. However it is not the sattelites that are tracking you, but the car that is tracking the sattelites.
Thanks for that clarification, fd1000. Yes, the GPS inside the car acts as a receiver, not as the transmitter. Essentially, the satellite broadcasts a time-stamped signal every 1 second. The GPS inside the car receives the signal, and since the speed of the signal is known, along with the time taken to receive it, the distance can be calculated. Cross-check the signals from 3 different sources, and viola, you know where you are in our 3-dimensional space.
"Umm", you might say, "Doesn't the clock tick faster in space compared to the clock on Earth, due to the relativistic effects?". You bet your sweet Avalon, it does. And if your beloved Toyota didn't account for it in its Nav system, the errors would accumulate to the 7 miles error rate GPS accuracy per day.
How's that for the marketing pitch?
#1336 of 14965 Drove the limited today
Feb 04, 2005 (5:25 pm)
I drove the limited today. There was no difference in the drive or ride between the limited and the xls. The options on the limited are nice. I did not try the laser cruise. The rear sunshade made a loud scrubbing noise when moving up and down. The smart key was ok. I've never had one before and I will not miss having one(seemed to be complicated). I probably needed to read the manual about it, this might have made it easy. The nav is ok. Looked to be the same as the lexus model. The screen is smaller than the lexus and does not offer touch functions. They both have the voice command feature. The radio has alot of speakers(12) but does not seem to be as good as the mark lev. The power is a nice feature but I'm over my obsession with speed and power. The Es330 has enough power for me. I have a concern that this vehicle has no protection for the doors. Without the molding it will be dinged up pretty bad. The wood interior is nice but looks cheap.I just did not think it looked real. The driver seat extension was neat but I could not feel a difference because of my long legs. Since my legs will not extend straight, they are bent higher than the end of the seat. The ride was nice but the car is louder than I expected. I don't know if the tires are part of the problem but you could hear all bumps and road noise. I drove on asphalt and concrete up to 70 mph. The exterior of the car looks plain. Very little chrome accents other than the grill. The car had alot of add-ons from the toyota southeast crew. The xm radio I would like to have but the antenna is a little 2" square black box that they attached on the edge of the trunk lid. When the trunk is open you can see the wire wrapped around the edge. When I walked up I thought it was one of the protectors you see on the edge of the doors that are removed during cleanup.It probably would not be as noticeable if it wasn't in the middle of the trunk. It had remote start, which took me and the sales manager 4 times to get to work correctly. Also had alot of markup junk.(protection package, splash guards, ect.) The msrp was 39450.00. The dealer said the best price will be around 1000 off msrp. This will not even cover the markup junk. I was really looking forward to this car but I can not see paying this for the avalon. If think about it for 2-3 grand more than this sticker you could purchase the new 2006 GS300 lexus. I believe the base msrp is going to be 42,300.00. I will be purchasing the ES330 loaded with nav, mark lev, heated\cool seats, power pedals, rear sunshade, xm radio for 34800. I can not justify paying 4500+ more for the avalon
#1337 of 14965 Re: First year cars, It's finally here! [negative]
Feb 04, 2005 (5:33 pm)
Mine was Kentucky born and bred. Having had two previously made in Japan Toyotas, I was spoiled with the quality and reliability of my Celica and Toyota Van. We were leery aboout buying one made in the US and when those "problems" showed up my wife was very disappointed. Didn't have a single problem since those were fixed other than the normal wear and tear items.
#1338 of 14965 Re: Drove the limited today [dna2511]
Feb 04, 2005 (6:49 pm)
As some negative feedback about the Avalon has accumulated, I captured it and added a link "Negative comments" to the 2005 Avalon Page. Please do not kill the messenger (your humble correspondent, that is) -- I am just presenting all sides of the story.
Feb 04, 2005 (8:45 pm)
Obviously the dealers are finally getting these cars in. I got a call from one of the dealers offering me a test drive this afternoon. I had to decline for now, they were too far away. Hopefully next week I'll get to drive one locally.
Feb 05, 2005 (6:04 am)
I notice on the net that a dealer in Gaithersburg, Md. has 2005 Avalons for abut $2K under MSRP. (e.g. XLS with EJ,VSC,WL,& Z1 List=$33,592, Invoice=$29,903, Sale price $31,403 plus $99 PREP). The TTL for each state is differant, so it is not applicable here.