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Re: More On Avalon Performance [madmancd]
by user777
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Aug 12, 2006 (8:25 pm)
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Replying to: madmancd (Aug 12, 2006 5:29 pm)
exactly. the people with a problem that are being told it's normal are not being dealt with honestly nor with the customer-centricity they deserve.
the reports of others like yourself indicating no issue (and you are trying all sorts of stuff to create it) has to be both comforting and disconcerting to those with the issue.
on the one hand it legitimizes their belief the company can build a good car, and the car they purchased should not hesitate.
on the other hand, no one should be telling them it's normal, or they all do that.
that isn't true.
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Re: More On Avalon Performance [user777]
by bobwiley
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Aug 13, 2006 (10:38 am)
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Replying to: user777 (Aug 12, 2006 8:25 pm)
user777: Well, I just got another unbiased testiment to the Avy's transmission woes. Son & family visited last week from Ft Worth and he had to take dad's new car as they were going shopping. I never mentioned anything about the quirky transmission--just wanted to see if he said anything when he came back. Guess what he said about the Avy? You got a "slipping" tranny----I said what--he said yea--I slowed down at the bottom of the hill, checked for traffic and when I started to go--all I got was a revving engine and then a sudden lurch. He said samething happened again twice more that day. I played dumb and told him that the next day we'd go together, him driving and see if it happened again. Sure enough--same thing--just like it happens to me if I don't use the "manual" mode---I told him Toyota says this is NORMAL----BS was his reply---he drives a Maxima--he said if that Avy was my car--the dealer would have it back and fix it, get me one that works properly or keep it and give me my $$$ back. BTW--he was the one he steered me toward the Avalon! I told him about the Forum write-ups on the transmission and he said it certainly could be a safety issue. I told him I use manual in the situations where I know or anm fairly sure "Murphy" will rise up and strike again! His response---why didn't ya buy a 5 or 6 speed tranny if ya wanted to shift--ya bought an automatic--it should work automatically!! Duh?!!
Bob
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Re: More On Avalon Performance [bobwiley]
by user777
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Aug 13, 2006 (2:51 pm)
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Replying to: bobwiley (Aug 13, 2006 10:38 am)
yeah - exactly. good test. put someone else in the vehicle that has no history and watch them quickly come to the conclusion something fundamentally is amiss.
this is one of the reasons you'd never ever have a vehicle with this sort of designed in "natural" behavior in the hands of many - ala rental fleet etc.
your son's assessment is on target. your vehicle is NOT operating as designed.
plenty of other manufacturers have DBW technology, and they do not do this.
there is something wrong with your vehicle.
either the manufacturer is gonna stand behind their product and fix it, or you should move on and get rid of it.
as they say, you have a lot riding on it, and you and your family deserve far far better.
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Comments
by retired7
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Aug 13, 2006 (8:37 pm)
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Replying to: pat (Aug 12, 2006 8:53 am)
Suggest Toyota buy back Gartmacd's Avy and disassemble the tranny & DBW system to find out why it works right!
One pill I find tough to swallow is that I when I bought my 05 Ltd, it had 280 hp on window sticker and that was a factor in purchasing this vehicle. Now BTW, Toyota says it's really 268! This is definitely a mis-calculation by Toyota no matter how they try to rationalize it and it falls under the category as false advertising to the consumer.
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Re: Comments [retired7]
by fin
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Aug 14, 2006 (2:29 am)
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Replying to: retired7 (Aug 13, 2006 8:37 pm)
As previously discussed in this forum, the engine has the HP rating Toyota was allowed to give it under the rules. But the rules changed. And the HP number dropped for Toyota and several other makes. It was not a error by Toyota.
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Re: Comments [retired7]
by bobwiley
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Aug 14, 2006 (6:21 am)
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Replying to: retired7 (Aug 13, 2006 8:37 pm)
retired7: I read, in this Forum I think, that the NHTSA or some other Federal bureaucratic agency changed the way they figured HP---anyway, the 268 HP Avy still outruns almost all other sports sedans, G35, TL,etc.--including the BMW 525-530 Series. With all that power and 30+MPG at 75 MPH--I ani't complaining about losing 12 HP!
Bob
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Re: Comments [retired7]
by captain2
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Aug 14, 2006 (7:05 am)
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Replying to: retired7 (Aug 13, 2006 8:37 pm)
by your moniker then I'm guessing you rememeber the 427/425 HP Chevys, 426/425 HP Chryslers, 390 HP Fords etc etc.. SAE gross ratings about 40% higher than today's 'net' ratings. Were they ripping you off then, when all those engines magically lost 150 hp or more?
The Avalon, as bobwiley notes, one of the most powerful and economical cars of its type - what more could you ask?
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Press request
by KarenS HOST
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Aug 14, 2006 (10:28 am)
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A reporter seeks to interview current and former Texans with opinions about the recent Toyota recalls. Please reply to jfallon edmunds.com by Tuesday, August 8, 2006 with your daytime contact info, a description of your Texas connection and a few words about whether you think the Toyota recalls will affect the Toyota brand.
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