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Re: More On Avalon Performance [captain2]
by gartmacd
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Aug 12, 2006 (5:28 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 11, 2006 10:06 am)
Betcha that I could jump into his car right now and 'force' the hesitation - it is much more likely that his driving style, methods, and habits are something that the control programs can handle
I have to disagree with your contention. There are four adults on this trip. We take turns driving. None of us has experienced anything out of the ordinary with this car.
Besides, as I alluded to earlier, I personally tried a variety of techniques to see if I can make this car hesitate,lurch, spike, or any other anomaly. Nada! It just goes, smoothly, consistently, and without any noticeable change under any circumstances.
We're off in about 1/2 hour for the next leg of this trip, so I won't be on line until another web source come up. Hope to hear from you by then. Best take a hard look at that theory in the meantime.
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Re: More On Avalon Performance [gartmacd]
by 9119911
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Aug 12, 2006 (7:05 am)
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Replying to: gartmacd (Aug 12, 2006 5:28 am)
I suspect you have an abnormal Avalon, since those that do hesitate are normal. To those that have such luck, do you stop to think, we that have a "normal" Avalon, have nothing to gain by spending our time enroute/at the dealership.Each time I carry mine in for REPAIR it takes me 30 minutes to type up the quirky symptoms...go figure.
Cj
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Guys ...
by pat HOST
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Aug 12, 2006 (8:53 am)
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There is no need to try to tell someone into that his Avalon behaves differently, or will behave differently if one of you drives it, than he reports. There is also no need for sarcasm.
Gartmacd is happy with his car. Some of you are not happy with yours. That's terrible, really, but you don't need to tell people who are happy that they are wrong about their car's behavior.
Let it go.
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Re: More On Avalon Performance [gartmacd]
by nimimi
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Aug 12, 2006 (9:36 am)
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Replying to: gartmacd (Aug 12, 2006 5:28 am)
I've got an '06 Limited with VSC and it has always acted "normally" in the 6K miles I've driven it: NO hesitation and NO transmission/shifting issues.
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Re: More On Avalon Performance [nimimi]
by madmancd
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Aug 12, 2006 (5:29 pm)
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Replying to: nimimi (Aug 12, 2006 9:36 am)
I have a 2005 Avalon (Limited) as well and have not experienced the transmission issues. The car runs smooth so far and is quiet as a library at highway speeds. I tried to make it exhibit the conditions described by adjusting how rapid I apply and release my foot to the pedal, and no dice. All who are experiencing this problem should challenge your dealer.
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Re: More On Avalon Performance [madmancd]
by user777
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Aug 12, 2006 (8:25 pm)
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Replying to: madmancd (Aug 12, 2006 5:29 pm)
exactly. the people with a problem that are being told it's normal are not being dealt with honestly nor with the customer-centricity they deserve.
the reports of others like yourself indicating no issue (and you are trying all sorts of stuff to create it) has to be both comforting and disconcerting to those with the issue.
on the one hand it legitimizes their belief the company can build a good car, and the car they purchased should not hesitate.
on the other hand, no one should be telling them it's normal, or they all do that.
that isn't true.
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Re: More On Avalon Performance [user777]
by bobwiley
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Aug 13, 2006 (10:38 am)
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Replying to: user777 (Aug 12, 2006 8:25 pm)
user777: Well, I just got another unbiased testiment to the Avy's transmission woes. Son & family visited last week from Ft Worth and he had to take dad's new car as they were going shopping. I never mentioned anything about the quirky transmission--just wanted to see if he said anything when he came back. Guess what he said about the Avy? You got a "slipping" tranny----I said what--he said yea--I slowed down at the bottom of the hill, checked for traffic and when I started to go--all I got was a revving engine and then a sudden lurch. He said samething happened again twice more that day. I played dumb and told him that the next day we'd go together, him driving and see if it happened again. Sure enough--same thing--just like it happens to me if I don't use the "manual" mode---I told him Toyota says this is NORMAL----BS was his reply---he drives a Maxima--he said if that Avy was my car--the dealer would have it back and fix it, get me one that works properly or keep it and give me my $$$ back. BTW--he was the one he steered me toward the Avalon! I told him about the Forum write-ups on the transmission and he said it certainly could be a safety issue. I told him I use manual in the situations where I know or anm fairly sure "Murphy" will rise up and strike again! His response---why didn't ya buy a 5 or 6 speed tranny if ya wanted to shift--ya bought an automatic--it should work automatically!! Duh?!!
Bob
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Re: More On Avalon Performance [bobwiley]
by user777
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Aug 13, 2006 (2:51 pm)
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Replying to: bobwiley (Aug 13, 2006 10:38 am)
yeah - exactly. good test. put someone else in the vehicle that has no history and watch them quickly come to the conclusion something fundamentally is amiss.
this is one of the reasons you'd never ever have a vehicle with this sort of designed in "natural" behavior in the hands of many - ala rental fleet etc.
your son's assessment is on target. your vehicle is NOT operating as designed.
plenty of other manufacturers have DBW technology, and they do not do this.
there is something wrong with your vehicle.
either the manufacturer is gonna stand behind their product and fix it, or you should move on and get rid of it.
as they say, you have a lot riding on it, and you and your family deserve far far better.
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Comments
by retired7
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Aug 13, 2006 (8:37 pm)
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Replying to: pat (Aug 12, 2006 8:53 am)
Suggest Toyota buy back Gartmacd's Avy and disassemble the tranny & DBW system to find out why it works right!
One pill I find tough to swallow is that I when I bought my 05 Ltd, it had 280 hp on window sticker and that was a factor in purchasing this vehicle. Now BTW, Toyota says it's really 268! This is definitely a mis-calculation by Toyota no matter how they try to rationalize it and it falls under the category as false advertising to the consumer.
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Re: Comments [retired7]
by fin
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Aug 14, 2006 (2:29 am)
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Replying to: retired7 (Aug 13, 2006 8:37 pm)
As previously discussed in this forum, the engine has the HP rating Toyota was allowed to give it under the rules. But the rules changed. And the HP number dropped for Toyota and several other makes. It was not a error by Toyota.
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