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Re: More On Avalon Performance [captain2] by niteone
Aug 11, 2006 (10:30 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 11, 2006 10:06 am)

"Betcha that I could jump into his car right now and 'force' the hesitation - it is much more likely that his driving style, methods, and habits are something that the control programs can handle - the same reason why I don't regard the hesitation as problematical. I have learned how the car 'wants' to be driven! All Avalons, as well as many other Toyota/Lexus products and cars from other mfgrs., do exhibit the same type behaviors - accept it as a misapplication of technology! And it may get worse before it gets better - or we may all adjust to the point that this becomes second nature? "
 
thank you, I guess that's what I was trying to say all along.
 
whether that's good or bad, depends on how you feel about the hesitation or 'lag' issue....like I mentioned, it doesn't do it all the time, I'm just concerned, that when I need to be at a certain point, like merging onto an expressway from an on-ramp, in heavy fast traffic, I know what the vehicle will do. I'm not so sure that my decision to 'gun it' and expect it to be where I expect it to be, will happen because of this 'lag', whether it's because of the VSC or not, a 'lag' or a 'hesitation' is there, sometimes, and I haven't figured out if it's me driving differently, or it's actually the car doing something I'm not expecting.
 
so, I'm alert in those situations more than I would be in any other car.
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Re: first shopping cart dent [lnt] by midnightcowboy
Aug 11, 2006 (10:37 am)
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Replying to: lnt (Aug 10, 2006 5:29 pm)

Any repainting can be detected by a dealer when you trade your car in and will significantly lower your trade-in price.
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Re: More On Avalon Performance [niteone] by captain2
Aug 11, 2006 (11:06 am)
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Replying to: niteone (Aug 11, 2006 10:30 am)

and from the FWIW dept - a friend with a brand new Subaro Forester, 4 banger (maybe 160 hp), 5 speed sequential auto: taking his car back to the dealer to find out why there was a hitch in his gitalong when he nailed the accelerator from a near stop attempting to merge in some fast moving heavy traffic. More bothersome, perhaps, to him because there isn't as much engine there to get things moving once things do get hooked up?
Sound familiar? What do you suppose the dealer will tell him?
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Re: More On Avalon Performance [captain2] by wwest
Aug 11, 2006 (12:26 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 11, 2006 11:06 am)

"...What do you suppose the dealer will tell him?..."
 
An HONEST dealer, of which there are NONE, would tell him to get rid of his FWD or front biased AWD and buy a REAL car, RWD or front biased AWD (the new Acura SH-AWD equipped models come immediately to mind) and be rid of the dangers of FWD altogether.
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Re: More On Avalon Performance [captain2] by niteone
Aug 11, 2006 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 11, 2006 11:06 am)

"Sound familiar? What do you suppose the dealer will tell him? "
 
yep, the same thing Toyota tells us, 'that's the way it works.'
 
but, I'm sure it doesn't do that in all vehicles that are DBW. I have seen others on this forum mention Honda for instance, or Nissan, I can't remember, but I don't think or I haven't heard, or I'm not as informed as I should be, that their having the same issues..the 'lag' or 'hesitation'.
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Re: first shopping cart dent [midnightcowboy] by dan41
Aug 11, 2006 (2:03 pm)
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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Aug 11, 2006 10:37 am)

"Any repainting can be detected by a dealer when you trade your car in and will significantly lower your trade-in price"
 
Go ahead and get your car repaired. It certainly sounds like very minor work and I take exception to the comment that doing so will "significantly lower your trade-in price". Don't worry, get it repainted and enjoy your car. dan
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Re: More On Avalon Performance [wwest] by captain2
Aug 11, 2006 (2:25 pm)
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Replying to: wwest (Aug 11, 2006 12:26 pm)

there you go again, blaming all that's wrong in the world on FWD. The Forester AWD BTW, and one marque that I can think of that has been rife with transmission anomalies - MB! But, they wouldn't be all RWD and cost twice or three times what they are worth - would they? FWD has little to do with any of this - how do you explain the millions of Avalons/Camrys/ESs etc. that had perfectly fine (4 speed) trannys for the last 20 years - before all this new electronically/computer controlled stuff - an accident?
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Re: first shopping cart dent [dan41] by pat HOST
Aug 11, 2006 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: dan41 (Aug 11, 2006 2:03 pm)

Seems to me that visible damage, such as an unrepaired dent, would be more costly in terms of a sale price than a repaired and properly repainted one. The dent is what it is. Not getting it fixed it for the sake of a sale price doesn't make sense to me.
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Re: first shopping cart dent [midnightcowboy] by lnt
Aug 11, 2006 (4:33 pm)
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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Aug 11, 2006 10:37 am)

But, will it lower the trade-in price more than the dent??
I like to trade cars every 3 or 4 years.
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shopping cart dent by lnt
Aug 11, 2006 (4:48 pm)
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Thanks to all who responded to my question. I guess I will go ahead and have it repaired because it sure does ruin the looks of my car. I think I will go to the dealership where I bought the car and get an estimate from them, though. I think I would feel better if a Toyota dealership did the job - even though they told me that they subcontract their dent repair jobs out too. I have to wait until I get back from a trip, though - Airplane trip - not car.

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