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Re: for those of you that think more is better [ctl] by captain2
Aug 10, 2006 (5:17 am)
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Replying to: ctl (Aug 09, 2006 2:43 pm)

so, I guess, it must be better because it's newer? Tell that to Bill Gates who took several years and versions to come up with something better than Win98.
Detroit has a bunch of engines that are, by almost any definition, technologically inferior and inefficient - relative to HP,(3.8 GM, DT Ford, for example) yet they are about as reliable as anything out there. In these cases, old must be better?
IMO, the assumption that new=good is wrong more often than it is right.
The point of the post, though, is to get those who has some transmission issues to read those procedures outlined in the TSB - it may help in some way with reprogramming/reteaching these imperfect control systems. Another case where new does not equal better - don't ever remember anybody complaining about the 'old' 4 speeds.
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Re: for those of you that think more is better [captain2] by niteone
Aug 10, 2006 (5:47 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 10, 2006 5:17 am)

could you point us to that TSB?
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Re: for those of you that think more is better [niteone] by captain2
Aug 10, 2006 (6:02 am)
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Replying to: niteone (Aug 10, 2006 5:47 am)

afraid I don't know how to do the link - but if you go to post 1058 in the 07 Camry Woes forum there it is. It is lengthy and is largely instructions to replace the part. The last part of the TSB deals with the 'computer' reset procedures.
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Re: for those of you that think more is better [niteone] by captain2
Aug 10, 2006 (6:10 am)
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Replying to: niteone (Aug 10, 2006 5:47 am)

interesting also to note that per this TSB, how you press the accelerator apparently DOES make a difference - a contention that havalongavalon (and others) discovered several months back
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Re: for those of you that think more is better [captain2] by wwest
Aug 10, 2006 (6:58 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 10, 2006 6:10 am)

Or maybe, possibly more correctly, it has to do with the way you release, lift, the accelerator pedal.
 
To a programmer, or say an engineer writing the specification for the engine/transaxle ECU firmware, lifting the accelerator abruptly and all the way would/might "imply" a wish to coastdown to a lower speed. In that circumstance remaining in the current gear would seem most appropriate. The above sequence may even be used to set the stage for a downshift if subsequently the brakes are applied.
 
On the other hand if you simply "feathered" the pedal to a shallower position that, seemingly, would/might imply a wish to enter cruising "mode", and an upshift would likely be more appropriate.
 
Back in the fifties when automatics first began to appear we soon learned that if we wished the transmission (no transaxles back then) to upshift sooner all we had to do was slightly lift the accelerator pedal momentarily.
 
So those of you experiencing this problem might want to practice completely closing the throttle until, if, you subsequently reach the point/decision, to accelerate.
 
Keep in mind that applying your foot higher on the pedal, which seems to have helped in some cases, would require more force and therefore lifting the pedal would likely both be more "abrupt" and a shorter travel distance.
 
Just guessing, again.
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Re: for those of you that think more is better [captain2] by niteone
Aug 10, 2006 (7:15 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 10, 2006 6:02 am)

I don't get it...it seems their talking to a Toyoata rep about this problem on the 2007 Camry within that 07 Camry Woes forum.
 
why don't we have a Toyota rep in this forum? I mean, did the Toyota rep just stumble upon that forum and joined? I think not.
 
I mean we payed some good money for our Avalon's, why don't we have the same access to that Toyota rep the 07 Camry's have? And, why are they sorta ignoring our problem with the transmissions, but not ignoring the 07 Camry's problems?
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Re: for those of you that think more is better [niteone] by captain2
Aug 10, 2006 (11:34 am)
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Replying to: niteone (Aug 10, 2006 7:15 am)

just a guess - tmusa appeared on the Camry sites at the same time that the Camry 6 speed was having some mechanical failures (not 'simply' operational oddities) which I'm sure from Toyota's perspective is a more serious 'quality' related issue - something they simply can't have on a car that sells 400000 units a year.
The Avalon 5 speed - no mechanical failures TMK although certainly a number of folks out there that don't like the way it operates.
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Re: for those of you that think more is better [captain2] by niteone
Aug 10, 2006 (12:24 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 10, 2006 11:34 am)

well, if that's the case, I still think they should at least be taking part in our discussions we're having on the Avalon transmission issue. That would be nice. But, they don't even do that. Maybe someone should direct that poster 'tmusa', over on the Camry boards to peak into here or at least make him aware we're discussing a problem over here with a Toyota product and maybe he can get someone else from Toyoata to join us, that would at least help. Even maybe get someone from Toyota to explain why the car does what it does, especially Avalons equiped with the VSC. I don't think that's to much to ask from Toyota.
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Re: for those of you that think more is better [niteone] by captain2
Aug 10, 2006 (1:10 pm)
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Replying to: niteone (Aug 10, 2006 12:24 pm)

the appearance of tmusa seemed to correspond with a number of photos that appeared on the site - pictures of Camrys loaded up onto wreckers - very effective it turns out. Some substantiation, as well, that Toyota does at least monitor what we are saying. And yes, an Avalon owner tried exactly what you suggest and was brushed aside as 'off topic'.
As far as the tranny behavior is concerned, I really believe that there is either nothing that can be done about it or Toyota hasn't figured out a way to tame these essentially electronic gremlins. As far as VSC and TRAC go, you need to understand that these 'safety' features do - stop you from doing something that IT doesn't 'think' you should!
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Re: for those of you that think more is better [captain2] by ctl
Aug 10, 2006 (1:27 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 10, 2006 5:17 am)

newer mostly are better (or why buy "new car"?), not guaranteed better. you do your study and make your point of view. One can always choose to believe their old car is better just because it is theirs.

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