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for those of you that think more is better by captain2
Aug 09, 2006 (8:43 am)
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Have been following the Camry sites for continuing updates on the 5 and 6 speed trannies. Complaints, much like what have been appearing here, on both.
There is now a TSB on the 6 speed regarding an upshift RPM spike. Involves an internal valve replacement. What is somewhat interesting reading is the reprogramming/relearning steps required as part of the repair procedures - TSB #TC008-06 dated August 2. This in addition to some snap ring problems on earlier Camry 6 speeds.
The '07 is still with the 'old' 5 speed (apparently) - which may be fortunate for those of you that have one coming in.
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Re: for those of you that think more is better [captain2] by ctl
Aug 09, 2006 (2:43 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 09, 2006 8:43 am)

well, have to disagree a bit. If there is bug need to be worked out (apparently), I will wait, but no way am I taking the old 5 speed knowing a better and newer design is out there.
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Re: for those of you that think more is better [ctl] by captain2
Aug 10, 2006 (5:17 am)
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Replying to: ctl (Aug 09, 2006 2:43 pm)

so, I guess, it must be better because it's newer? Tell that to Bill Gates who took several years and versions to come up with something better than Win98.
Detroit has a bunch of engines that are, by almost any definition, technologically inferior and inefficient - relative to HP,(3.8 GM, DT Ford, for example) yet they are about as reliable as anything out there. In these cases, old must be better?
IMO, the assumption that new=good is wrong more often than it is right.
The point of the post, though, is to get those who has some transmission issues to read those procedures outlined in the TSB - it may help in some way with reprogramming/reteaching these imperfect control systems. Another case where new does not equal better - don't ever remember anybody complaining about the 'old' 4 speeds.
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Re: for those of you that think more is better [captain2] by niteone
Aug 10, 2006 (5:47 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 10, 2006 5:17 am)

could you point us to that TSB?
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Re: for those of you that think more is better [niteone] by captain2
Aug 10, 2006 (6:02 am)
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Replying to: niteone (Aug 10, 2006 5:47 am)

afraid I don't know how to do the link - but if you go to post 1058 in the 07 Camry Woes forum there it is. It is lengthy and is largely instructions to replace the part. The last part of the TSB deals with the 'computer' reset procedures.
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Re: for those of you that think more is better [niteone] by captain2
Aug 10, 2006 (6:10 am)
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Replying to: niteone (Aug 10, 2006 5:47 am)

interesting also to note that per this TSB, how you press the accelerator apparently DOES make a difference - a contention that havalongavalon (and others) discovered several months back
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Re: for those of you that think more is better [captain2] by wwest
Aug 10, 2006 (6:58 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 10, 2006 6:10 am)

Or maybe, possibly more correctly, it has to do with the way you release, lift, the accelerator pedal.
 
To a programmer, or say an engineer writing the specification for the engine/transaxle ECU firmware, lifting the accelerator abruptly and all the way would/might "imply" a wish to coastdown to a lower speed. In that circumstance remaining in the current gear would seem most appropriate. The above sequence may even be used to set the stage for a downshift if subsequently the brakes are applied.
 
On the other hand if you simply "feathered" the pedal to a shallower position that, seemingly, would/might imply a wish to enter cruising "mode", and an upshift would likely be more appropriate.
 
Back in the fifties when automatics first began to appear we soon learned that if we wished the transmission (no transaxles back then) to upshift sooner all we had to do was slightly lift the accelerator pedal momentarily.
 
So those of you experiencing this problem might want to practice completely closing the throttle until, if, you subsequently reach the point/decision, to accelerate.
 
Keep in mind that applying your foot higher on the pedal, which seems to have helped in some cases, would require more force and therefore lifting the pedal would likely both be more "abrupt" and a shorter travel distance.
 
Just guessing, again.
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Re: for those of you that think more is better [captain2] by niteone
Aug 10, 2006 (7:15 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 10, 2006 6:02 am)

I don't get it...it seems their talking to a Toyoata rep about this problem on the 2007 Camry within that 07 Camry Woes forum.
 
why don't we have a Toyota rep in this forum? I mean, did the Toyota rep just stumble upon that forum and joined? I think not.
 
I mean we payed some good money for our Avalon's, why don't we have the same access to that Toyota rep the 07 Camry's have? And, why are they sorta ignoring our problem with the transmissions, but not ignoring the 07 Camry's problems?
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Re: for those of you that think more is better [niteone] by captain2
Aug 10, 2006 (11:34 am)
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Replying to: niteone (Aug 10, 2006 7:15 am)

just a guess - tmusa appeared on the Camry sites at the same time that the Camry 6 speed was having some mechanical failures (not 'simply' operational oddities) which I'm sure from Toyota's perspective is a more serious 'quality' related issue - something they simply can't have on a car that sells 400000 units a year.
The Avalon 5 speed - no mechanical failures TMK although certainly a number of folks out there that don't like the way it operates.

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