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#10472 of 14965 Re: great HP 'controversy' resolved [captain2]
Dec 05, 2005 (10:51 am)
I would like to beat a dead horse one more time re the avalon HP rating.The car does have a lot of power,I don't deny that. I can chirp the front wheels at will. I have no complaints about a good powerfull running car.
My comment is when you buy a dosen eggs and you open the carton and you find 10, this is not amusing. The same thing about advertising 280 HP on the sticker and in the brochure, and almost a year later you got a 268 HP. I haven't heard if the engines are different, but I believe they are identical.
Toyota did us 2005 buyers a dis-service by not abiding by the SAE Standard implemented in Aug 2004, and made mandatory from Jan 1 2005 on. Toyota did not derate until 2006,one year late. This information is from road and track, written by the engineering editor,Dennis Slmanaitis.
We can say most auto manafacturers probably did the same thing,using loopholes, to get more HP,but why didn't Toyota do the right thing and follow the law as changed by SAE by the estabilished time table?
Today on TV, I saw Toyota was not rated in the safe cars list. Toyota also is not listed in the top 10 best cars. These negatives certainly hurt Toyota overall, and I read they are finally noticing they have issues.
You would think I totally dislike the Avalon Limited, I don't. There are some items that annoy you know what out of me,but it still is a good car,regardless how I have complained, I would still buy this car for the value.It has alot of good things going for it. ange 1
#10473 of 14965 Re: great HP 'controversy' resolved [ange]
Dec 05, 2005 (11:06 am)
Toyota was not the only automaker that got caught in the change to SAE standards for engine horsepower.
BTW, the Society of Automotive Engineers is not a Law maker, so no automaker was breaking any Law by not changing to the new SAE standard.
It is unfair to single one automaker out as a bad apple as you have done.
I would like to add another 2 cents worth to those who trash the Avalon;
Here is an excerpt from the JD Power 2005 'Apeal' survey:
Survey experts at the famous automotive analysts firm J.D. Power and Associates discover which of the newest cars and trucks North American buyers have most appreciated, in its latest APEAL (Automotive Performance, Execution and Layout) study.
J.D. POWER AND ASSOCIATES APEAL SURVEY:
Highest Ranked Model: Toyota Avalon
1st runner-up: Ford Five Hundred
2nd runner-up: Mercury Montego
Source: J.D. Power and Associates
#10474 of 14965 Re: great HP 'controversy' resolved [hylyner]
Dec 05, 2005 (11:10 am)
The "Apeal" ranking is not a quality or reliability rank.
There is a different ranking for that.
Apeal rank is more about style, features and driving enjoyment and lots of unreliable vehicles (VWs etc.) end up with high rankings in this survey.
#10475 of 14965 Re: great HP 'controversy' resolved [jaxs1]
Dec 05, 2005 (11:19 am)
So are you trying to say Avalons are not a quality or reliable car?
If you are suggesting Avalon ranks poorly in quality and reliability then I suggest you look up JD Power surveys over the past 10 years. Avalons and other Toyota models rank very high in all of them.
I don't care whose surveys you look up--Edmunds,MSN, Consumer Reports, etc., they all score Avs as very high.
The APEAL survey is just the frosting on the cake as far as I am concerned.
Regarding Avalon not being in the latest top 10.
I think if you follow up on that piece of news you will note the Avalon is very close to that Top 10 list, and that the point grouping of the top quartile on that list is very close.
#10476 of 14965 Re: Strange behavior [n0v8or]
Dec 05, 2005 (11:19 am)
I don't have a remote starter and I am the only driver and my extra "key" was at home. The car was parked on a barrier island in Florida with light traffic and not many neighbors.
#10477 of 14965 Re: great HP 'controversy' resolved [hylyner]
Dec 05, 2005 (11:23 am)
This new Avalon has had some quality problems and complaints. Past Avalons from the last 10 years don't matter.
#10478 of 14965 Re: great HP 'controversy' resolved [jaxs1]
Dec 05, 2005 (11:30 am)
"Past Avalons from the last 10 years don't matter?"
All the new cars have *had some quality problems and complaints.* Alway will. Please show us one that hasn't.
Toyota products have always had less than most and still do.
The 2005 and 06 results aren't out yet, so what we have is an excellent track record over the last 10 (or more) years.
I say good for Toyota, but I also hope that the North American Big 3 can someday equal that track record. They are getting better, but have a ways to go yet. (If they don't go belly up first!!)
#10479 of 14965 Re: Voice recognition on NAV [gschultz3]
Dec 05, 2005 (11:47 am)
I have a completely different experience with the voice command in NAV. The system is able to understand my commands close to 100% of the time, even with other people talking in the car. It helps keep my eyes on the road and hands on the wheel while allowing me to control audio and NAV options, and I wouldn't buy another NAV without voice command.
#10480 of 14965 Re: Message Center [douglas1]
Dec 05, 2005 (12:05 pm)
These messages evidently apply only to Avalons without the Navigation option.
I have the NAV and leaving a door open while driving off produces no error message.
#10481 of 14965 Re: Strange behavior [lgigante]
Dec 05, 2005 (12:10 pm)
Well, that information pretty well shoots down all of my interference theories. I am not surprised the techs are having to consult the factory for a solution.