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Replying to: likeitornot (Oct 27, 2005 12:13 pm) My wife is an insurance adjuster. She normally doesn't do auto work but since that adjuster was on vacation, whe had to go take pictures of a Lexus that had been in a pretty good accident. She took 12 pictures. If I pulled the six of the pictures and put them on E-Bay, I am sure that I could get a good auction price for that vehicle. Unfortunately, you, as the buyer, would not see the $4k in damages that occurred. Believe it or not, even females can notice that a car has rust, or that a car does not "look quite right". Or that the car's interior has been thoroughly trashed. Do remember that photos can be doctored. I agree 110% with Mathias about having the car thoroughly inspected by **YOUR** mechanic and by letting him know that you are considering a purchase of the vehicle. |
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We purchased a S60 online from Texas car broker via ebay and shipped to Washington where we live. It turns out the car had some damage not disclosed in carfax or vin report. What if any recourse do we have. The broker has a very good rating on ebay. The title was transferred from the broker to us when we purchased the car. 
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Replying to: chrisa1 (Nov 10, 2005 3:38 pm) |
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Replying to: chrisa1 (Nov 10, 2005 3:38 pm) Check on ebay motors to see if they have any kind of fraud protection. I am still amazed at how many vehicles are listed on ebay. |
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S60's are a dime a dozen here in Washington. A lot of cars with problems get dumped on Ebay. I think I would call the seller and ask for some compensation and I think Ebay may have a process you can go through if you are wronged. |
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I bought a car from Pro Auto Group, a Fort Worth-based dealership, through Ebay Motors. The car was “certified” to be free of mechanical defect. Within HOURS of leaving the dealership with the car, the clutch/transmission failed and the car had to be towed to a repair shop. In short, despite attempts at mediation and direct negotiations, Pro Auto Group refused to do a thing to repair the car or take it back for a refund. Their position was that the damage was due to “driver abuse” despite the fact that I had the car for less than 6 hours and the needed repairs were due, clearly, to long term, pre-existing damage. The situation is compounded by the fact that Pro Auto Group has been committing this fraud against dozens of unsuspecting buyers under the cover of “100% Positive Feedback” on Ebay Motors. A sham based partially on backend payoffs and coercion resulting in “mutually withdrawn” negative feedback. I even found one individual who bought a “certified” vehicle that was claimed to have never have been in a wreck - and he subsequently found it had been in a head on collision. He also found that the service records provided for the vehicle were falsified! Another lady I talked to bought a car from Pro Auto Group with fraudulent odometer mileage. In my case, the dealer posted negative feedback referring to me as “a terrorist” and claiming that my 15 year old daughter had burned out the clutch – a car that I had had for less than 6 hours! It was almost laughable if it hadn’t been such a disturbing fabrication! Even more disturbing is that Ebay Motors not only failed to act, they were directly complicate in this ongoing farce. In less than 24 hours after I posted negative feedback, Pro Auto Group was able to get Ebay to arbritrarily to suspend my account and have my feedback deleted! There was no hearing. No arbitration process. No inquiry whatsoever. Ebay arbitrarily and summarily backed Pro Auto Group because of their leverage as a power seller. |
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Replying to: sseale (Apr 29, 2006 2:49 pm) If you suspect fraud on the part of the seller, file a complaint with, among others, the Texas Attorney General. Further, if a business publicly called me a "terrorist" I would immediately file a defamation suit against them - any jury would look disfavorably on such conduct. From your post, though, I can't help wondering something else. The vehicle in question may have, in fact, been defect free at the time of purchase. Cars do break. Clutches wear out. I would question how anyone could claim clutch failure was due to clear "long term, pre-existing damage." Perhaps there's some additional information not included in your post.
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have begun to realize the falacies (sp?) of ebay / paypal. I sold a high end car stereo receiver and the buyer lied about the wire harness that went with it, and paypal ruled against me. Luckily I withdrew the funds before so it ain't gonna be easy to collect it. But I have to ask sseale, why would you buy a vehicle on ebay? |
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Replying to: cccompson (Apr 29, 2006 4:45 pm) The evidence of prior damage comes from the fact that in addition to the clutch being burned out, the flywheel was damaged. Something several expert mechanics said was only possible over the course of time and over 10s of thousand of miles of driving. We only had the car less than 6 hours before the car stuck in second gear. Since the car only has 50,000 miles, we suspect there may be a fraudulent odometer reading as well - something we're looking into.
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Replying to: sseale (Apr 30, 2006 7:47 am) Manual cars are funny things. Driven properly, clutches can easily last 100,000 plus miles. Or (as my wife proved when we were much younger) they can wear in 10K if misused. I've fooled around with ebay a bit (and went 500 miles last fall to buy my daughter the car of her dreams which, fortunately, worked out fine). It seems to me it is a place where ALOT of marginal cars are hawked by used car dealers (whether declared or not). I stay clear of such dealers in all circumstances because, in addition to the possibility of misrepresentation, there simply is little to assure me that their products are good. Better bets are new car dealers handling clean trades and private individuals. When I'm buying used from an individual, usually it is the seller I'm most interested in. If they bought it new, have the service records, and have already boughts another new one, it's highly likely to be a safe buy. |
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