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#547 of 638 Re: 2008 S2000 (non-CR) Still Being Manufactured? - New Brochure Same Spec. [accelerator]
Sep 17, 2007 (1:41 pm)
Accelerator, thanks for your detailed report.
I'm wondering if there is going to be a 2008 S2000 (non-CR) for sale at Honda Dealers. It seems Honda listed both the 2008 S2000 CR and the regular S2000 on its 2008 brochure. Honda fits a different wheel (5-spoke) on the regular S2000 and it offers different color options for CR and S2000, respectively.
Any information on the regular 2008 S2000? I don't expect any change in specs but want to know if Honda keeps manufacturing the regular S200o thru the end of calendar year 2008. Thanks.
#548 of 638 Test Drive 2007 S2000 - Great Performance but Too Noisy- So Change of Heart
Sep 22, 2007 (8:06 pm)
Thought about getting a 2007 S2000 since it's the last model year but changed mind after an extensive test drive today.
I test drove for a 2nd time today for over 1-hour and 50 miles, on both local road and highway. It has a great firm but not harsh suspension. Excellent road feel and feedbacks. Acceleration from 1st to 3rd are strong, especially on local street. However, it didn't feel as strong and fast as a 237hp car.
In addition, I didn't feel much a difference after the VTECT kicks in (above 6000-6500rpm).
Now the negative side. It's too noisy on hightway cruisuing at 75-85mph even in 6th. The convertible top does not provide much insulation. It's mainly wind, tire noises. I wouldn't take a trip longer than 100 miles or 2-hours in it on highway. I thought I was a die-hard performance car fun but I was proven wrong.
To conclude, the noise is the main deal breaker. Also, I was not so impressed by the not-so-strong acceleration and low torque of the S2000.
Well, the Honda dealer confirmed that there is going to be a 2008 S2000 with no or very minor changes.
I hope Honda would upgrade the S2000 by building a new one on this platform (nice and sharp style) with a more powerful engine - either a small displacement 2.5 inline 6 cyclinder VTEC or a turbo 2.4 inline 4. A 280hp and 220lbs torque would be ideal.
Improve the convertabile top with better insulation and add MPS, iPod input, and a better stereo. Maybe I hoped too much but this current version is aged.
I'll look at a Z4 3.0Si, Z4 M roadster, and a Boxster and see how they perform.
#549 of 638 Re: Test Drive 2007 S2000 - Great Performance but Too Noisy- So Change of H
Sep 23, 2007 (5:48 am)
"I hope Honda would upgrade the S2000 by building a new one on this platform (nice and sharp style) with a more powerful engine - either a small displacement 2.5 inline 6 cyclinder VTEC or a turbo 2.4 inline 4. A 280hp and 220lbs torque would be ideal.
Improve the convertabile top with better insulation and add MPS, iPod input, and a better stereo. Maybe I hoped too much but this current version is aged."
Sorry, but I don't think it's the S2000 that has aged.
What a shame it would be to take away everything that makes the S2000 special and turn it into a quieter, heavier, more comfortable car like the BMW or Porsche.
#550 of 638 Re: Test Drive 2007 S2000 - Great Performance but Too Noisy- So Change of Heart [bf109ace]
Sep 23, 2007 (9:50 am)
I'll look at a Z4 3.0Si, Z4 M roadster, and a Boxster and see how they perform.
I agree with fedlawman - if you want a heavier, dulled feel roadster like the Z4, get it. But don't suggest to Honda that they go in that direction with the S2000. You may not like the fact that it is visceral, but that's what makes it great and sets it apart from cars like the BMW and Nissan's obese 350Z.
As for the Boxster, they are lightweight, with exceptional handling. But, if the S2000 isn't quick enough for you, I think you will find the base model rather underwheming in straight line performance. You'll need to go up to a Boxster S to get something noticably quicker than the S2000.
Also, I'm not sure how many miles were on the S2000 that you test drove, but proper break-in on that car is extremely important and it should NOT be V-teched in the first 800 +/- miles. My 2002 model got stronger post break in, all the way up to about 5,000 miles.
P.S. I do understand where you are coming from on the comfort factor. I now drive a 2005 911S Cabriolet. But in the world of 2 seat roadsters, there's the Boxster S at $60k and the S2000 at $30k and everything else is a wannabe, IMO. That goes for the Z4, 350Z, SLK, TT, and a few others I probably forgot.
#551 of 638 Re: 2008 S2000 (non-CR) Still Being Manufactured? - New Brochure Same Spec. [bf109ace]
Sep 24, 2007 (6:11 pm)
I have made multiple 300+ road trips in my S (I drive from Montana to Texas and back once a year, and usually in 2 days one way). It's a lot of fun, but the car fatigues after about 700 miles. I can feel the clutch getting pretty hot and it begins to get sloshy. I don't recommend more than 600 miles at a time if you can help it. Your legs are gonna start cramping around that time anyway.
The noise is another thing. Back when I had my stock exhaust, the noise really wasn't that bad. The top doesn't buffer in the wind and the roadnoise is more determined by the tires you have (I use Falkens which are fantastic). The whine of my supercharger has always been hard on the ears, though. I can't really say how a stock S is on the road. I'm just too spoiled.
Luggage capacity is excellent for such a small car. I've moved 3 times in the thing (the Air Force moves my big stuff). Being that I weigh 140, the seats remain comfy, too.
None of this probably helped, but I thought I'd throw in my 2¢.
#552 of 638 Re: Test Drive 2007 S2000 - Great Performance but Too Noisy- So Change of Heart [habitat1]
Oct 08, 2007 (4:46 pm)
I heard what you said. I just prefer to have some low-end torque on hand. I think the base Boxster and S2000 have comparable performance and weight - both around 2900lbs.
Boxster - 245hp with 201 lbs torque at 4400-6000rpm.
S2000 - 237hp with 162 lbs torque at 6200rpm.
They may be different animals but I prefer to more civil ride in the Boxster. Z4 is ok with some sportiness. Never tried TT but it looks 'too cute" for me. 350Z is just too heavy and coarse. No SLK for me since there is no manual shift available.
#553 of 638 Re: Test Drive 2007 S2000 - Great Performance but Too Noisy- So Change of H
Oct 08, 2007 (5:03 pm)
You have great taste in cars. You can't go wrong with the Boxster - though I'd find a way to get the "S" any way I could.
#554 of 638 Re: Test Drive 2007 S2000 - Great Performance but Too Noisy- So Change of H [fedlawman]
Oct 09, 2007 (6:33 am)
Off Topic sort of...
I just wanted to say what a fantastic ride I had in this morning. Air temperature was a cool 71 degrees, not a cloud in the sky, very little if any cross-winds, and very few cars - and the few there were, I was able to snake through (safety is alway paramount) and get ahead of the pack to pick up crusing again... what a fantastic drive... Unreal.
Serious question here: Do y'all think other convertible drivers enjoy a simple cruise as much as they might in the S? I mean, with the freeway cruise I had this morning, torque didn't matter, horsepower didn't matter, just top down wind blowing across your face sun beaming down singing along to the radio kind of fun... does it get any better than this? This is my first convertible so that is why I ask.
*cough cough* Boss, I think I'm sick and need to go home...
#555 of 638 Re: Test Drive 2007 S2000 - Great Performance but Too Noisy- So Change of H [accelerator]
Oct 10, 2007 (5:30 pm)
It's weird you mention that. I was just about to say the same thing. The temp was a wonderful 65 up here (Montana) so I went for a long cruise through the mountains. I drove up to Buffalo Jump National Park (basically a giant plateau).
I did have an unfortunate encounter, though. I was cruising down the backroad going about 70 when I come over a hill and the road turned to dirt! 70mph on a dirt road in a high powered RWD convertible is an experience I do not want to undergo again.
#556 of 638 Re: Test Drive 2007 S2000 - Great Performance but Too Noisy- So Change of Heart [bf109ace]
Oct 10, 2007 (5:51 pm)
No SLK for me since there is no manual shift available.
Yes there is - the SLK280 comes with a 6-speed manual, but if you like the precision handling of the Boxster and S2000 it will feel dull by comparison.
I would have to agree that the base Boxster with a bit more low end torque is a more "civilized" ride than the S2000. Not as much fun, IMO. Nor is the performance as comparable as the hp similarities would suggest, when the S2000 is pushed to redline. But the current base Boxster is a big improvement from the original 200 hp model. That said, if you are already comfortable paying $20k+ more for a Boxster than an S2000, the additional $8k for a Boxster S puts you in the best roadster you can buy period, with no compromises.