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#131 of 604 by kyfdx HOST Aug 05, 2004 (3:07 pm)
My point is that just possibly, every person interested in the car is not just like you. The airbag cutoff is a feature offered in MOST two-seat cars, and to say "screw everyone who isn't just like me, go buy something else" as an answer to someone who thinks it is a feature that should be offered really does nothing to further the conversation about the car.   I guess you could start a discussion titled: "Only people who love the S2000 just as it is, post your messages here." But, you might get lonely in there.   regards, kyfdx
#132 of 604 by sphinx99 Aug 05, 2004 (3:20 pm)
I don't have kids but still wouldn't mind the cut-off. Once I was with a friend and her cute four year old son who wanted a ride. All I could offer was a 3mph top-down crawl around an empty parking lot   I do understand why there's no switch though. Although it's softened up a bit, and the standard for "hardcore" has changed, from the beginning the S2000 was intended to be a rather edgy, raw car. I'm sure none of you would get upset over the Lotus Elise not being child-friendly. Well, four years ago in the U.S., the S2000 was the "Elise" of the American market.   Honda also tends to be hypersensitive about safety issues. They often have avoided something as simple as auto-up power windows due to the safety concern of children getting their fingers stuck. So, it is no surprise to me that they wouldn't want children inside a small two-seat sports car.
#133 of 604 cutoff and stereo by radiate Aug 05, 2004 (4:02 pm)
I have children and feel very apprehensive about taking them out in the car. The car is edgy and it is fun, but i doubt that most of us owners are driving this car hard and fast most of the time. in fact, it is nice to have the option to drive it hard, but i enjoy it just as much as a weekend cruiser. i wish my daughter could too. The issue of safety cuts both ways. Not having the cutoff option may be creating a potential problem as well. Never-the-less, i still love the car. BTW, i recently bought a connector for the stereo head unit that allows my ipod to work directly through the cd changer button. the direct connection is awesome, 700 cd at my fingertips without the sound degradation of an fm modulator
#134 of 604 kyfdx/sphinx by carliker Aug 05, 2004 (8:48 pm)
Just as you have the right to mention what bothers you about the S2000, I have the right to counter that by explaining why a certain gripe shouldn't matter. That's actually prolonging a discussion, not bringing it to a halt. Also, if you are going to use quotations, please quote something I actually said. "Screw you" seems awfully harsh.   Personally, I wouldn't take a young child in any two seater anyway (just like I wouldn't want them to sit in the front seat of any vehicle). Besides, don't they belong in child seats? For older kids (but still small enough to get injured by the air bag), you can always get a coupe or a convertible with a back seat (like a Mustang, Sebring, PT Cruiser, VW Bug, Audi Cabriolet, Saab 9-3, BMW 3 Series, etc.). Anyway, I tend to be more understanding with gripes that have more to do with the driver (especially when it's a car that's all about the driver). Child passenger gripes should be left for cars that are intended to have them as passengers.   Sphinx - Just curious, how much faster would you have gone with a 4 year old in the front seat if the car had a cut-off switch?
#135 of 604 by kyfdx HOST Aug 06, 2004 (5:31 am)
My apologies for the paraphrasing..   I have a ten-year old.. He sits in the back of my car, still.. But, he went with me on the Z4 test drive (airbag cutoff), and I believe I was going seriously faster than 3 MPH. I don't think anyone drives a car with the intention of crashing it.   There are a lot of 2-driver households with two cars and children. My wife was considering the Z4, but I'm sure she would have crossed it off the list if she weren't able to pick up her son from school.   "Child passenger gripes should be left for cars that are intended to have them as passengers."   I think you are substituting your intentions for the manufacturer's.   But, I do agree... This does seem to have prolonged the discussion.   regards, kyfdx
#136 of 604 kyfdx by carliker Aug 06, 2004 (7:49 am)
"There are a lot of 2-driver households with two cars and children. My wife was considering the Z4, but I'm sure she would have crossed it off the list if she weren't able to pick up her son from school."   Unfortunately (and I'm sure I don't need to tell you this), sacrifices need to be made in these kind of households. Many people want to have two-seaters, but are only able to have two vehicles which need to transport children. Therefore, the Z4 (or other roadsters) must be put on hold until their children grow up. Roadsters are impractical anyway, and the S2000 is more so since it can't provide you with this feature. In an impractical vehicle, this just isn't much of a surprise to me (just like how it doesn't come with heated/power seats).   "I think you are substituting your intentions for the manufacturer's."   Honda targets and designs their cars to meet their customers needs based on how they (Honda) feel the customers intend to use it. I don't.
#137 of 604 by kyfdx HOST Aug 06, 2004 (7:58 am)
Well.. I don't assume Honda gets it right with every feature they put, or don't put on a car. The CR-V still lacks a button for the power door locks on the passenger side after 7 years, when every competitor and non-competitor that makes a car with power locks has one. Now, if that were the case on the S2000, I could understand, as you can just reach over and pull up the lock. Maybe, they'll read this discussion and have a change of heart. In the meantime, I'll just assume they are misguided, rather than assuming they are trying to alienate potential customers.   regards, kyfdx
#138 of 604 Air Bag switch by midnightcowboy Aug 06, 2004 (9:16 am)
There are companies that will install airbag cut-off switches if that is your primary concern with the S2000.   http://www.airbagonoff.com/   I think the whole passenger airbag issue is being blown out of proportion.   First you have to have a very major wreck and second the air bag has to fire in such a way that it injures a small passenger. The odds are pretty slim.   Maybe you don't fly on airplanes either? Maybe you have won a billion dollar lottery? Maybe you have been stuck by lightning? Maybe you had two blow-outs on the same side at the same time and you car rolled and there were no survivors.   Anyway there are solutions to everything; It is just how much mitigating the risk is worth to you.   YMMV,   MidCow
#139 of 604 Airbag cutoff, Boxster S, etc. by habitat1 Aug 08, 2004 (1:39 am)
Seems like a lot longer than 10 weeks ago that I handed over the keys to my S2000 in trade in for an Acura TL. I am definitely going through a bit of withdrawl.   As far as an airbag cutoff switch, I agree that it would be a nice feature. I got a letter from EPA/DOT approving an aftermarket installation, but never bothered. Too incovenient to drop the car off at the recommended installer 50+ miles away. So whenever I took our oldest daughter (9) out, I made sure the passenger seat was all the way back, she was well buckled, and we only went on secondary streets. I don't think I would ever have taken her on the DC Beltway, airbag cutoff switch or not.   Regarding the 0-60 S2000/Boxster S debate, I'll throw in my two cents, especially since I came very close to getting a Boxster S back in late 2001, before deciding on the S2000. I have had the opportunity to drive both 2004 models since. My conclusion is that the two are very close to 60, 100 or any other measurement of acceleration, but with a slight edge going to the Boxster S. If the S2000 isn't broken in, and/or the driver hesitates to take it to redline, the Boxster S will win every time. But, and this was key for me, the "fun factor" of taking an S2000 up to 9,000 rpms was incomparable to the rather unexciting way the Boxster S accelerates. Similarly, the handling of the Boxster S is very impressive, but the car feels twice as big as the nimbler S2000. These two cars are very different in the manner in whichthey achieve their performance. Anyone debating 0-60 in 5.4 vs. 5.6 is missing the point. Pick the one you like, and don't worry about stats.   By the way, Porsche does have the best option for those who want top down fun and have kids. Both of my girls fit perfectly in the rear seats of a brand new 2004 911 Turbo Cabriolet sitting in the dealer showroom. 0-60 in under 4 seconds and it's priced almost exactly the same as the S2000. With the exception of the extra "1" in front of the price.
#140 of 604 by sphinx99 Aug 08, 2004 (6:43 am)
What's an extra digit between friends?   I've actually seen a fair number of 911 cabrios with a child seat in the back.

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