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Re: Question reliability of price data [pa_fisherman] by jmonroe
Jul 23, 2006 (10:46 am)
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Replying to: pa_fisherman (Jul 23, 2006 4:36 am)

Recent car buying experiences have caused me to question the reliability of the data used by Edmunds, NADA, Black Book and others to produce TMV, etc
 
I also questioned the accuracy of the TMV and it created quite a stir among the posters on forum " PURCHASING STRATEGIES - QUESTIONS & SUCCESS STORIES" post #2027. Since you are fairly new to Edmunds you might want to do a little reading. It gets old and goes around a couple times but you'll get the idea.
 
I'm also from PA, maybe there is something in the air or the water that makes us skeptical.
 
Happy reading,
 
jmonroe
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Re: Question reliability of price data [pa_fisherman] by sc00bs
Jul 23, 2006 (10:56 am)
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Replying to: pa_fisherman (Jul 23, 2006 4:36 am)

Personally as a consumer if I negotiated the price of the new car at 12,000 and then they offered me $1,000 on my trade I would insist that the paperwork reflected that. We all know that whatever reason they do that for is for their benefit not yours.
 
Second, I often times wonder about Edmunds in regards to private party sales. I know many many people who lie about the purchase price so they can get a tax break.
 
Also, I have often wondered how dealer auctions sales play into the prices listed on Edmunds. What about ebay sales, I assume they are considered what exactly, private or dealer because BOTH sell there.
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Edmunds TMV by british_rover
Jul 23, 2006 (1:42 pm)
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We are the only Rover dealer for sixity miles in two directions and a 100 something miles in the other two directions.
 
If you put in our zip code the TMV price you get is not a reflection of our transaction prices at all.
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Re: Edmunds TMV [british_rover] by roundtrip
Jul 23, 2006 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Jul 23, 2006 1:42 pm)

Soooo....
Is the Edmund's TMV below or above your selling prices?
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Re: Edmunds TMV [roundtrip] by british_rover
Jul 23, 2006 (2:00 pm)
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Replying to: roundtrip (Jul 23, 2006 1:51 pm)

Very much below by thousands of dollars. And then when you think that TMV is supposed to be the average price so there should be some below that level that makes it even more unrealistic.
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Re: Edmunds TMV [british_rover] by biancar
Jul 23, 2006 (3:55 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Jul 23, 2006 2:00 pm)

....aaannnddd - how could this be, if you are reporting your prices accurately to the state DMV?
 
I agree with those who say if they negotiate X price for the new car, and Y for their trade-in, those are the numbers that better appear on the contract. Very shady for dealers to say "the only difference is the difference!" (i.e., if they put $15,000 for the new car and $10,000 for the trade, it means the same if they put $20,000 for the new car and $15,000 for the trade. 5k difference either way.)
 
No. Lies are lies, accurate numbers are accurate numbers. Whatever price is agreed to better be the price written down, or I'd walk.
 
In my state (Virginia) there would be a big difference in taxes, for starters.
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Re: Edmunds TMV [biancar] by british_rover
Jul 23, 2006 (6:11 pm)
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Replying to: biancar (Jul 23, 2006 3:55 pm)

Well we do all registrations online with the DMV and as I have stated previously we do not do over allowance on trades. If a car is worth 15,000 dollars it is worth 15,000 dollars. Now if we appraise a car at say $19,700 or so we might show the person $20,100 as it just looks nicer but that is as far as it goes.
 
My thoughts on the TMV system is that either there is a significant bit of error in their system first of all.
 
Secondly I wonder how wide a area they take into account. The Land Rover dealer in the far southern corner of the state near the New York border gives their cars away. They are a very large dealer and have a lot of competition from the city and long island dealers so they have to compete. I know from talking to people that at least for LR3's they normaly start at just a bit above invoice.
 
Now if their program takes into account all sales within say a 100 mile radius of a zipcode with no regards to any other demographic or geographic data then maybe the number shake out properly.
 
It is only about 70 miles as the crow flies from my dealership to the far southern part of CT but over the roads it is over a 100 miles and takes a couple of hours. Your choices are go over back roads and take forever limping threw tiny towns or go down 95 and deal with the massive New York traffic.
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Re: Edmunds TMV [british_rover] by grutza
Jul 23, 2006 (6:44 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Jul 23, 2006 6:11 pm)

It would be interesting to find out exactly how they do their TMV pricing. Just a thought, but, in your instance could they take a minimum number of dealers. They say that TMV is field tested, but again where. If anyone has insight, please let us know.
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Re: Edmunds TMV [grutza] by tidester HOST
Jul 23, 2006 (7:27 pm)
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Replying to: grutza (Jul 23, 2006 6:44 pm)

Find out how we do it here: Edmunds.com How We Calculate New TMV
 
tidester, host
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Re: Edmunds TMV [tidester] by cccompson
Jul 24, 2006 (2:49 am)
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Replying to: tidester (Jul 23, 2006 7:27 pm)

Hmmm....TMV is extrapolated. Guess that's really not surprising.

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