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Acura TL, Acura TSX, Sedan
#127 of 386 Re: Torque is the TSX's problem [ljwalters1]
Jul 11, 2005 (7:43 pm)
I own both a 2005 TL and 2005 TSX. What I would say is that it is unfair to say which is better...as they are two different classed cars. It is like asking is my BMW 750Li better than my TL (you cannot compare as one is a 360hp V-8 for starters).
Regarding the comment regarding that the TSX cannot compete against its peers...I disagree. Natural peers would be such as the Lexus IS300, Volvo S40 T5, and Audi A4 1.8. I could go indepth with all (but that is for the TSX board)...but common thread is that each competitor's price would easily be $6k+ for a similarily equiped car (making the price similar to the TL and that is a easy decision). Many do not have the same performance orientation, reliability, or available features.
Regarding torque....I can say that all the above mentioned have lower horsepower than the TSX (IS300 with 215hp...Volvo with 218hp). Yes the Acura has a lower torque than the others, but I can assure you that the TSX is indeed nimble with the excellent Acura powertrain including VTec and drive by wire. It actually feels more nimble than my TL. Doesn't matter what it says on paper...it has enough to get steaming along.
Perhaps pull out the Consumer Report guide on cars and you will see a head to head comparison of the TSX to A4, Subaru Legacy, and Volvo S40. Guess which one came out 'recommended'...the TSX. As stated...the TSX is the best balance between sportiness and roominess.
So the question is which car do I prefer. I will be honest to say that I reach for the TL keys before the other two. However...I still bought a TSX and I still very much enjoy driving the car (I might like it better than my Big Money Wasted )
Why did I buy a TSX? We saw it driven around France during a vacation and liked the style. We liked the punchy size...styling...and general utility of the car (trunk is as large as the TL and it gets larger when the rear seats are folded down). Also...didn't want two TLs in the same garage...but still wanted the amenities of an Acura at $6k+ less.
All an individual choice. TL and TSX each have their reason for existance.
#128 of 386 Re: Torque is the TSX's problem [ljwalters1]
Jul 12, 2005 (3:52 am)
So you'll take the Passat, Volvo S40 T5 over the TSx huh?
I hope you wallet is fat...for after two years it will be up on that hoist allot more than the TSX...but don't believe me....read the articles, magazines, expert (so called) opinions...everything I have read has had one car on top...the TSX...
I don't know about you...but IMO when most people buy cars they buy it as an over all packaged based on their needs...not just one item...Torque for example...if we were to buy cars based on that then there are many cars out there that have more torque then all of the cars we have listed here...hell I would go buy a NSX if I wanted to go 180 mph!!
I read all of these posts from people saying that this car is .01 faster that this car...
Now I am heavy on the pedal but when was the last time you ran the 1/4 mile in your TL? or any car for that matter? What do you think would happen if you ran your car everyday like they do in all of these test? It wouldn't last for very long, I don't care what type of car it is or who makes it....
Now as far as the TL vs TSX as the member posts above...you shouldn't be comparing the 2 as far as the specs go...they are two different models...the models fall into the food chain and in the Acura world the chain starts with the RSX, then the TSX, then the TL and then finally the RL...if all of these models were built to be the same then there would be no food chain...
How can we compare a 4 to 6 cylinder? It's like comparing the Devil Rays to the Yankees???
If you want performance out of the TSX push the pedal hard...at around 4000 rpm you neck with move back...maybe not as much as the TL (again 4 vs 6)...but compared to what else is out there the TSX holds it's own very well thank you...
What you have to ask yourself when comparing the 2 is does the TSX satisfy your needs... or does the TL....it's not rocket science....one just happens to cost about 5-6K more....so does the added features of the TL make up for the extra $$$?
Again it's an individual choice as always....what fits your needs and at what price...
IMO to sum it up...everything you read about the performance test in these cars are a basis to hopefully help make an informed decision...if YOU as a person are going to take this car out on a daily basis and conduct all those manuvers for yourself then by all means...rock on! But for most people to do the daily commute, an occassional road trip, many even a mountain run (if you have one near you), then I think either car is best in EACH individual class...and the real question is this...when you make that formula one ride to the store to get that gallon of milk which car really fits the bill? Either one is going to look sharp in the parking lot....
How's that for rollin'!!!
#129 of 386 Re: Torque is the TSX's problem [delmar1]
Jul 12, 2005 (4:28 am)
Excellent post delmar! The TSX is a huge value. You get a BMW like car for $10,000 less. You get over 200 hp in a small car, and yes it can scoot. The TL is a completely different animal, the comparison is not really fair. Yes the V-tec is a superior engine to all competitors.
#130 of 386 Re: Torque is the TSX's problem [delmar1]
Jul 12, 2005 (6:05 am)
You have a TL, TSX and a 7-Series?!? Man, you like your sedans!!!
Regarding V-tech, I know Acura talks about it a lot, but I always figured it was just a technology that allowed you to rev higher than otherwise. Using it allows the torque band to be higher, and I guess allows Acura to get better gas mileage during regular driving when you're not revving the engine that high
Am I close to being right? If so, I don't really see the big deal to V-tech. I'd rather have low-end torque than high-end torque.
#131 of 386 Re: Torque is the TSX's problem [ljwalters1]
Jul 12, 2005 (6:18 am)
Yes...I have the 3 cars mentioned. We are not into SUVs or minivans...ever. All wholly owned and the BMW 7 was bought through a car allowance...which might be traded in for a Mercedes SLK (my wife's hope).
The V-Tech is no BIG deal as I see it as a marketing label. What I do like is how the Acura / Honda engines perform to my needs and expectations. Label or no label.
Yes...it would be great to have low-end torque...agreed. Just that I still find the TSX fills the niche need. Just as some may have a Xterra to haul their scuba gear...the TSX is a great everyday car that gets a lot done and is a great drive. I can drive it to the ball game and easily pop in and out without worries. I can go to HomeDepot..fold down the rear seats and haul all kinds of junk.
I could go on regarding specific comparisons of the TSX and TL. However...if there is anyone out there interested in specific comps...just let me know.
#132 of 386 Re: Torque is the TSX's problem [ljwalters1]
Jul 12, 2005 (6:20 am)
The V-tech gets excellent mileage. The TL gets over 30 mpg in freeway driving, that is astounding for a 270 hp, and an over 3,500 pound car.
#133 of 386 Re: TL vs. TSX - Biggest difference.. [habitat1]
Jul 14, 2005 (3:38 pm)
$$$$ is the big difference for most people!
People might want the TL, but they drive the TSX and realize it is a sweet car in its own way.
Couple that with an 8K difference and people buy the TSX.
#134 of 386 Re: TL vs. TSX - Biggest difference.. [rihoops]
Jul 14, 2005 (6:03 pm)
I have driven both cars and I believe the 8k difference is worth it. However, the TSX is a great car, and would be greater with more hp.
#135 of 386 Re: Torque is the TSX's problem [ljwalters1]
Jul 18, 2005 (8:38 am)
In regard to the comment about a Volvo S40 T5 being quicker than a TSX, I would have to disagree. While it may have more torque than a TSX, the torque is distributed to 4 wheels. I have driven both cars (and own a TSX) with manual transmissions, and the TSX seems quicker off the line. If you are buying a Volvo S40 T5 on the basis of better torque and 4-wheel drive over the TSX, you should be buying a Subaru Legacy 2.5GT, IMO.
I agree with the other postings, the TSX is the best buy amongst the appropriate competitors. If you really want a manual and a fun car to drive that has practical functionality as well, you can't go wrong.
#136 of 386 Re: Torque is the TSX's problem [rko2]
Jul 18, 2005 (9:44 am)
While it may have more torque than a TSX, the torque is distributed to 4 wheels
How does 4 v 2 affect the torque issue? I'm not disputing the statment, I just don't know enough to understand.
Also, the S40 T5 also comes in FWD. That's the version I tested.