Last post on Oct 19, 2006 at 7:25 AM
You are in the Nissan 350Z/370Z
What is this discussion about?
Nissan 350Z, Coupe, Hatchback
#507 of 549 Re: Buying 2003 Z, anything I should know? [zztop3]
Apr 17, 2006 (6:56 am)
Interesting in that I see that Carmax has changed it's marketing method.
They always listed the KBB value and then their "no haggle price" was a bit less.
I see that they are not always listing the KBB value.
I guess they have gotten so big that they can get way with just listing the price.
Interesting that they do that on some and others they list the KBB value - dunno what the scoop is but anyway,
Here is a listing for a 2005 Z on Carmax:
CarMax® Used Vehicle Fact Sheet
2005 Nissan 350Z 2D Hatchback
Exterior Color: Silver
Interior Color: Gray Cloth
Current Store: Laurel
No Haggle Price: $24,599*
Blue Book™ Retail Value:
Jan. - Feb. 2006 Edition $24,810**
They are the most successfull car dealer ever (it is why a lot of dealers are following that model)and they use the KBB.
#508 of 549 Re: Buying 2003 Z, anything I should know? [zztop3]
Apr 17, 2006 (7:14 am)
all i can say is, "go chat with the dealers and salespeople here on edmunds." We don't need to discuss heresay. You can get it straight from the horses mouths.
Now, to be fair, Terry, for example, on the Real-World board has said that KBB and even edmunds have reigned in their numbers over the past year or 2 and are getting closer to reality ... but there is still a variance.
oh, and on that last post ... OF COURSE they will sell you a car at KBB! If every dealer could get KBB retail on their cars, they'd own the country. My last few cars I've paid $1500-$2500 over dealer auction value. That's typically been several thousand below KBB.
#509 of 549 Re: Buying 2003 Z, anything I should know? [zztop3]
Apr 17, 2006 (7:24 am)
ZZtop is right about them showing Blue Book value. It helps make their pitch, nothing wrong with that. I did a quick reference there before I bought mine.
Comparable cars I found:
- an 05 Touring Roadster, black, manual, with 6k miles, KBB price $35,745, carmax price 34,599, plus sizeable transfer fee as car is in Texas.
- an 04 Touring Roadster, red,automatic, 16k miles, kbb 34,440, carmax price 31,998, also in TX so again a large transfer fee.
I had those figures written in a little notebook prior to when I did my negotiation for an 05 Touring Roadster, red, automatic, w/ 49 miles. Dealer's offer $34,500, my final price $33,500. $199 doc fee, no transfer fee.
It's not so much about whether KBB prices are exactly "Right" or not. The point is that people have heard of it, it gives a reference point. Most people don't even know where to find auction numbers, but they can find kbb numbers easily.
My dealer was better than carmax prices, thus better than kbb, even before we started the negotiation, for what that's worth. He REALLY wanted to sell that car! And I'm very glad for it, made the decision easy.
#510 of 549 Re: Buying 2003 Z, anything I should know? [qbrozen]
Apr 17, 2006 (10:29 am)
I hate to come off as rude BUT I wrote a very long and, I think, a well thought out response to the fellow who was looking for info on the 2003 Z.
I made a mistake and moved into cost which he was not even asking about and then
You jumped on my singular statement where I suggested to look at KBB wich was only meant as a starting place to look at what that Z might be worth.
I am done with this back and forth discussion as it is serving no purpose for the orignal intended poster.
Perhaps when I come back looking for advise as to how to maximize return on my Z when I go to sell it when the Hemi Dodge Challenger comes out in a year or so, I will come back here for furthur dicussions on who has the best stupid book on pricing.
Until then, I am out of here.
#511 of 549 Re: Buying 2003 Z, anything I should know? [zztop3]
Apr 17, 2006 (10:57 am)
ah, now i see the problem. You are being oversensitive. I didn't "jump" on anything. I merely wanted to correct what I felt would be an error in judgement on the part of a buyer. That's what discussions are all about, are they not? I sincerely apologize if you got your feelings hurt, as that was not my intention in the least. I come here to be an informed car-savvy kind of guy, and I assume that's why others are here, so I share information as much as I can. Its that simple.
Oh, and, by the way, "I hate to come off as rude" ???
ummm... then you might want to try avoiding saying things like:
"Please Do your homework before posting wrong information."
"You gotta admit that your logic is very,very funny." (this one is from the regular 350z board)
#512 of 549 Re: Buying 2003 Z, anything I should know? [qbrozen]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Apr 18, 2006 (9:03 am)
It becomes a lot easier to avoid bent feelings if ideas are attacked rather than people. Just take the "you" out of your reply and replace it with an "it" and magic occurs
#513 of 549 Re: Buying 2003 Z, anything I should know? [Mr_Shiftright]
Apr 18, 2006 (10:15 am)
I agree, and I try to do that. In my original reply, I attacked KBB ... but there's just no way to know what exactly will offend some people.
#514 of 549 Back to "problems"...
Apr 18, 2006 (11:01 am)
Here's a problem, or shall I say a challenge, looking for an answer.
Has anyone used either seat covers or car covers on their 350 roadsters? My car has a black interior that I know is going to get very hot, and I'd like to get some sort of seat cover that's a step up from throwing a beach towel on it, but less than super-duper, sheepskin (sheepskin?? In the summer????) seat covers.
I saw some canvas ones on line, but they had a big notice that they can't be used if you have side airbags, which my car has.
Also, since my car won't be garaged while at the beach, I'd like to have some sort of cover to use at night. The blowing sand there can sometimes be nasty, and I'd like to protect both the paint and the top from getting sand in its workings. Anyone have any experience with any sort of cover?
#515 of 549 Re: Back to "problems"... [biancar]
Apr 18, 2006 (11:41 am)
I think you'll find most seat covers can't be used with side airbags. I suppose maybe one that just hangs off the headrest (??).
ah... quick search and found these:
although they are sheepskin. personally, I like the nomex covers. I wonder if you could find those in a sideless design.
#516 of 549 Re: Back to "problems"... [qbrozen]
Apr 18, 2006 (11:46 am)
Cool, thanks very much!