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Re: Any experiences with fleetrates,com? :confuse: [que2] by beemertime
Oct 07, 2005 (2:28 pm)

Replying to: que2 (Sep 24, 2005 12:00 pm)

Hi, I got an offer from a dealer for a 2005 ES330 with 110 miles for 31998 with tier 1 option. meaning only leather seats and moon roof.
 
dealer asking price for 31998 and not willing to sell any amount lower than that.
 
Is that a good price or is there room for more? I lived in CT, is there a better dealership?
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help on es330 by beemertime
Oct 07, 2005 (4:08 pm)
I have a dealer offering a 2005 es330 with 110 miles and factory options asking for 31998, firm.
 
Is this a good price? the dealer said this price is 1500 below their invoice price already
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used 330 by beemertime
Oct 07, 2005 (4:18 pm)
i have another es330 2004 17000 miles a loaner car asking for 27900, firm from dealer.
 
is it a good price?
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Re: Any experiences with fleetrates,com? :confuse: [motownusa] by atoews
Oct 07, 2005 (10:24 pm)

Replying to: motownusa (Sep 29, 2005 7:00 am)

I agree. The caveat is that I expect that when the 2007 comes out, the car will be going for a higher price. For example, when the 2002 (significant redesign over 2001) came out, we were getting 94%-95% MSRPs, which dropped to around 90%-91% for the 2003, 2004, 2005, and I expect the 2006. Assuming a vehicle with $39000 MSRP, the difference between 90% and 94% MSRP is $1560. My bet would be that the improvements in the 2007 would make the difference worth it, but I am only guessing.
 
And, for all we know the MSRPs themselves might be higher, although I kind of doubt it.
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Re: Any experiences with fleetrates,com? :confuse: [beemertime] by atoews
Oct 07, 2005 (10:28 pm)

Replying to: beemertime (Oct 07, 2005 2:28 pm)

beemertime and hunter06, we use %MSRP to compare deals, not invoice. To tell whether you are receiving a reasonable deal, we need your deal quote, the geographical region from which you received your quote, and the MSRP. Remember that the deal quote should NOT include license, tag, tax or any other government imposed fees.
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Re: Any experiences with fleetrates,com? :confuse: [atoews] by beemertime
Oct 08, 2005 (10:20 am)

Replying to: atoews (Oct 07, 2005 10:28 pm)

those two prices are the msrp listed for them.
 
1. 31988, for 2005 es330, no options, firm on 319988 as listed.for 110 miles
 
2. 29900, for 2004 es330, no option, firm for 27900 for 1700 miles
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Re: Any experiences with fleetrates,com? :confuse: [beemertime] by atoews
Oct 08, 2005 (5:55 pm)

Replying to: beemertime (Oct 08, 2005 10:20 am)

1. All I can do with your post for deal 1. is to assume that you are paying the full MSRP for your car. I can't believe this is true because that would amount to 100% MSRP, which no one has paid since I have been tracking prices.
 
Ask your dealer if $31988 is the sticker price, which is the same as MSRP. If it is, then you should pay no more than $28789, which is 90% MSRP. If there are competing dealers in your area, I'd definitely walk out on this deal.
 
2. I can't give much info here, since we have not tracked used cars. Is the 2004 used or has it just been on the dealer's lot for a long time? If it has gained the mileage on the dealer's lot, then the deal you are getting amounts to 93% MSRP, and extreme rip-off, I'd say for a car with 1700 miles on it.
 
If you can't get your vehicles for MUCH less than this, walk away. Go to So Cal or something. You could probably get a free trip to california, plus a day in Disneyland for the amount you'd be saving on a decent deal.
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Re: Any experiences with fleetrates,com? :confuse: [atoews] by atoews
Oct 08, 2005 (6:00 pm)

Replying to: atoews (Oct 08, 2005 5:55 pm)

beemertime, are you sure you are not a dealer/salesperson who is "trolling" this site to see what folks are talking about? The deals you are quoting are so outrageous as to be beyond belief. Either that or there is something about you that makes dealers want to take advantage of you. Either that or you or I am completely misinterpreting your deal.
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Re: Any experiences with fleetrates,com? :confuse: [atoews] by beemertime
Oct 08, 2005 (7:00 pm)

Replying to: atoews (Oct 08, 2005 6:00 pm)

I think I might have not explain my situation clearly as I am new to this board and may not be using the same term as some of you have. I will try to explain my two deals more clearly in hopes you can help me out.
 
1. The dealer listed this 2005 es330 with 110 miles on there website for 31990 (not sure if this is the MSRP), manufacturer option, dealer said it is already below invoice which he didn't disclose by how much. The dealership listed as 31990 and selling it as 31990, no bargain.
 
2. The dealer listed a used 2004 es330 with 17000 miles with 29900 as the listed price on their website. manufacturer option, it was a loaner vehicle. also it is a certifed vehicle. dealer quoted me for 27900, firm.
 
Does anyone know what's usually the condition for a loaner car? are they good in term of care and maintainence?
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comparion by beemertime
Oct 08, 2005 (7:28 pm)
hi,
 
I just went to the Lexus website and did a "build your new vehicle" option and came up with a car for MSRP $36178, If i take 90% of it it, i should be looking at a deal for around $32560, right?
 
here is my question, How come edmunds.com TMV listed for $36128 for this vehicle? does TMV mean anything, or how should I be using the edmunds' TMV value in order to make my purchase?

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