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Nissan Titan, Ford F-150, Exterior, Interior, Truck
Sep 09, 2003 (10:52 am)
Actually, you can only get that 4.10 gears by selecting a long box in reg or supercab. You wouldn't want that for a daily driver anyway because of the sacrifice in fuel economy and the handing around town for a personal use vehicle for your wife. The total GCWR on a super cab or crew with the std. 3.73 gears would be 15,000, subsequently giving you an available trailer towing weight of 9,300 or 9,200 respectively.
So the truck will do the job, however, before you lay down the cash, check out the fact that max. payload #1650 for the supercab 144.5" wb. This is best-in-class for a 1/2 ton, but get that tounge weight of the fiver and figure out what else you are going to have in or on the truck for additional accessories and people. I've seen far too many people who chronically over-load for the job that needs to be done.
I actually selected my last trailer by taking a few I was considering to a scale, hooked to my truck with all passengers, then calculated my reserve for water, waste, LP gas, groceries, camping gear, etc. You have a huge consideration for the safety of yourself, your family and others on the road in an emergency stopping or manuvering situation. You really do need at least a 3/4 ton to do the job.
To address the 5th wheel issue in a 1/2 ton, the warranty issue would apply to any vehicle when it comes to altering or modifying the chassis, such as a 5th wheel installation, and the risk the manufacurer doesn't want to bear in the event that you cause subsequent damage to the vehicle, you or others.
#15 of 23 Transmission woes
Sep 09, 2003 (5:26 pm)
I recently took my 98 F150 into the local Ford shop for a brake check because the pedal felt soft. I was told the brakes were fine but my tranny had a leak and a tech accidentally removed the pan on my transmission instead of another one.
It was full of metal particles and they wanted to tear it down, I said ok only if my Ryan extended warranty would cover it. Ryan proceeded to send a rep to look at it and report his findings. The flywheel flex plate gearteeth were also broken due to a bad starter.
Ryan wanted to pay for nothing on my 0 ded policy.
After a heated discussion on the phone they agreed to pay for the gear and labor. After calling a local tv station the dealer agreed to pay for the transmisssion parts. I still owed $790. All the problems with this 150 with 60k on it there will be no more Fords for me, nor any other Detroit iron. Don't buy a Ryan warranty which is next to worthless.
Sep 10, 2003 (5:45 am)
That's too bad to hear about your experience with a dealer that doesn't sound too reputable and the ensuing problems with the warranty company. Sounds more like the dealer trying to sell you a bill of goods.
First, I don't know of any truck that has been used for 60k that wouldn't have some metal shavings in the pan, they all do, it's a moving part that has slip built into it and thus wears.
Kinda like the rubber or leather that wears off the bottom of your shoes. As for the starter gear, ditto. That's why a transmission flush is worth the trouble every 30k to reduce that contamination from causing more wear than need be.
Second, guess you learned the hard way, like me, that unless it has the manufacturer's name on it, extended service plans from others companies are usually worth about as much as the paper they are printed on. I still won't own a vehicle past the original warranty without a service contract. Just read the fine print if not from the manufacturer who's name is on the back of the vehicle.
Too bad you're not considering the all new '04 F150, it really is shoulders above anything else on the road in about every aspect.
Sep 10, 2003 (12:39 pm)
I would like to believe Ford is improving their quality as the Asian market is breathing down their necks building larger pickups. With Hyundai
offering 10 yr. 100,000 mile warranties on SUVs the race is really on.
Companys like Ford can use lesser grades of steel on drive train gears and other parts, why not, they only have to last 3 yrs.
People cannot afford to play the obsolescense game as Detroit has so well done in the past.
Coming out with a redesigned F150 is a call to arms by Ford but that warranty will have to change
drasticly and they will have to be serious about it. Where did you find the improvements in the 2004 so encouraging?
#18 of 23 Ford upping F-150 tow capacity
Sep 16, 2003 (12:19 pm)
This is getting silly. Ford upped '04 F-150's towing rate again, to one-up Nissan. Are Ford AND Nissan just playing number games, or they did make improvement before increasing those numbers?
Will Nissan change Titan's number? again, too?
Any way, if you go by the numbers, the new F150 should be your best bet.
DEARBORN, Mich., Sept. 15, 2003 – Ford is upping the ante in the full-size pickup market
and announcing best-in-class maximum towing capacity of 9900 lbs. for the 2004 F-150 –
an increase of 400 lbs. from the number released at the initial media reveal. The new F-150 also boasts best-in-class low-end torque, with more than 80 percent of the truck’s 365 foot-pounds of torque available at 1,000 rpm.
"Ford is the proven leader in the full-size pickup market," said Doug Scott, Ford Division truck group marketing manager. "The 2004 F-150 delivers on our reputation of producing Built Ford Tough trucks, and gives customers best-in-class towing capability when and where they need it most."
In addition to towing and low-end torque leadership, the 2004 F-150 owns a number of other best-in-class titles, including payload of 3000 lbs., maximum cargo box volume of 81.3 cu. ft., as well as interior volume and securable interior storage space. The 2004 model also offers the quietest cab and strongest frame in the industry, and is the first full-size pickup to feature an all-four-door lineup.
Sep 16, 2003 (7:45 pm)
I'm with you. I can't believe for one minute any 1/2 ton PU can safely tow 9,900 lbs or carry 3,000 lbs of cargo. I have an F-350 dually and I saw just last week what 3,000 lbs of wheat did to it. My truck handled it just fine, but I wouldn't have done that to a single rear wheel truck!
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#22 of 23 150 towing
Sep 25, 2003 (5:08 pm)
I would like to believe Ford has really beefed their drive train to say the towing capacity is greater. I blew a tranny with very little towing and remarks by the insurance company were "What the heck have you been towing?" What real changes have they made?
#23 of 23 More info on tow rating
Sep 29, 2003 (9:13 am)
Looks like Ford did a little trick on Nissan regarding to the ever changing max. tow ratings on the two trucks. Ford did not actually beef up anything for the increased rating, they intentionally released a low number to bait Nissan into matching it (9500lbs.), then published the real number after '04 F-150 is already on sale.
Read this story in USA Today.