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281 messages,  Last post on Sep 22, 2009 at 3:52 PM

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I got puished for trying by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 15, 2006 (1:33 pm)
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I ran two tankfuls of premium fuel in my lowly Scion and actually LOWERED my fuel mileage by 2 mpg.
 
Go figure....
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Re: I got puished for trying [Mr_Shiftright] by shipo
Jun 15, 2006 (3:05 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 15, 2006 1:33 pm)

A noble experiment! That having been said, the results were at least semi-predictable.
 
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Shipo
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Re: I got puished for trying [shipo] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 15, 2006 (3:53 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 15, 2006 3:05 pm)

I don't get it actually. Maybe I drove faster, I dunno.
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Re: I got puished for trying [Mr_Shiftright] by smokey75
Jun 17, 2006 (5:58 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 15, 2006 1:33 pm)

Does your car recommend premium? If not that can lower your mileage.
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Re: I got puished for trying [smokey75] by wai
Jun 18, 2006 (3:58 am)
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Replying to: smokey75 (Jun 17, 2006 5:58 pm)

Some cars' manual or fuel door sticker stated "require a certain MINIMUM Octane" Does it mean you should use fuel with that Octane or higher, but not lower. For example my VR6 requires min. 91 Octane, I can use 91, 93, or even 94 with no decrease in mileage or performance. In my case, I try all three, not much difference with mileage or performance.
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Re: I got puished for trying [wai] by shipo
Jun 18, 2006 (9:30 am)
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Replying to: wai (Jun 18, 2006 3:58 am)

Some cars' manual or fuel door sticker stated "require a certain MINIMUM Octane" Does it mean you should use fuel with that Octane or higher, but not lower.
 
The only correct answer here is, "It depends."
 
If any given engine is optimized for 91 octane but has ignition control electronics that allow it to retard the spark event for more volatile fuels (lower octane) and/or advance the spark event for less volatile fuels (higher octane), then the "Minimum Octane" in the manual might could well be 87. That having been said, that same engine will lose both performance and economy when anything less than 91 is being used.
 
The flip side of course is when any given engine is optimized for any given octane rating and then a higher octane fuel is used. In this scenario, performance and fuel economy will suffer if the engine isn't able to advance the spark event sufficiently to start the fuel burn early enough. If, however, the engine can advance the timing, economy and power may actually improve slightly, of course, not as much as an engine optimized to burn said higher octane fuel.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: I got puished for trying [shipo] by wai
Jun 21, 2006 (11:39 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 18, 2006 9:30 am)

Do you know that my Jetta 04 VR6 has ignition control electronics to advance the spark event for higher Octane fuel or not?
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Re: I got puished for trying [wai] by shipo
Jun 21, 2006 (12:56 pm)
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Replying to: wai (Jun 21, 2006 11:39 am)

Do I know? No.
 
I had a VR6 in my 1995 Passat and on that engine I don't remember it being at all sensitive to fuel above 91 or 92 octane.
 
Sorry I can't be more help than that.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Gasoline providers by dtownfb
Feb 09, 2007 (11:02 am)
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I'm not sure if this is the right forum but hopefully someone can educate me on gasoline providers.
 
I live in an area where the gas stations are dominated by the local convenience stores, Rutter's, Sheetz, Tom's, etc. Reading a few forums, the discussion of top tiers gasoline providers popped up. It dawned on me that none of these providers are in my area (South Central PA) or are they? Is there a way to find out who provides the gas for these stations? Obviously Rutter's and Sheetz don't own refineries and must buy from someone.

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