- #1365 of 1403
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Re: HHR Test Drive [p100]
by dmathews3
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May 04, 2008 (10:45 am)
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Replying to: p100 (May 04, 2008 6:13 am)
Just because Mazda says it is 170 hp or Chevy says theirs is 170hp doesn't mean either one is right. I can remember when a 427 Chevy was rated at 425hp for insurance reasons when on a dyno it put out close to 550hp. All you can do is take it with a grain of salt. Also even if they are both 170 then you need to facter in the trans gear ratios, and the rear end ratio. There is a lot of things making one faster than the other.
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- #1366 of 1403
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Re: HHR recall [p100]
by 62vetteefp
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May 04, 2008 (3:33 pm)
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Replying to: p100 (May 04, 2008 7:19 am)
What is this about the safety recall to install plastic pieces under the headliner because supposedly these vehicles failed the federal standards crash testing? I saw a 5 star crash rating for these cars for both front and side impact. And now there is a recall because they supposedly cannot meet the side impact federal standard (for models not equipped with curtain air bags). The 2008 model brochure specifically states that the 5 star side impact ratings is for vehicles NOT equipped with side curtain air bags. And now they have to rip off the headliner and stick on a few pieces of plastic to make them 5 star again? This is really pathetic. The GM credibility has just gone out the window.
The 5 star rating of the side impact test has nothing to do with the test that the HHR failed.
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/12feb20041500/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr- _2004/octqtr/pdf/49cfr571.201.pdf
Standard 201 requires a dummy head be hit against points of the inside of the vehicle to simulate an unbelted person hitting the interior. You are allowed so much HIC damage (see link). Since testing is not an exact process variation can happen and when the government tested the one hit (of many) it did not meet the requirement.
The side impact test simulates a vehicle hitting the side of the vehicle and measures various damaged points of the dummy. This is where they got a 5 star rating.
So, bottom line is to wear your seatbelt.
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- #1367 of 1403
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Re: HHR recall [62vetteefp]
by p100
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May 04, 2008 (5:21 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (May 04, 2008 3:33 pm)
Thanks, but still they have to do these modifications which means that if a buy a brand new 2007 HHR, it will need to have these plastic pieces installed and if this requires removing the headliner, the chances are they will never put it together again the way it came from the factory (depending on who does it). Can any Chevy dealer sell a new HHR without doing the recall service first now that these vehicles have been formally recalled?
What is involved in performing this recall work? All I could find is this: " Dealers will install a piece of energy absorbing plastic material to the headliner trim." This is not very descriptive and I do not know what exactly, if anything, needs to be removed first.
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- #1368 of 1403
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Re: HHR recall [p100]
by dmathews3
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May 05, 2008 (2:35 am)
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Replying to: p100 (May 04, 2008 5:21 pm)
Chances are it will have already been done to the vehicles left on the dealers lot. When my son worked a summer cleaning up new cars he also would bring any new cars that had a recall to the mechinac to preform the recall on as parts flowed into the dealer. This was so the customer wouldn't be inconvenienced.
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- #1369 of 1403
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Re: HHR recall [p100]
by 62vetteefp
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May 05, 2008 (5:29 am)
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Replying to: p100 (May 04, 2008 5:21 pm)
it will need to have these plastic pieces installed and if this requires removing the headliner, the chances are they will never put it together again the way it came from the factory
do not know the procedure but someone back aways said they had it done and could not tell.
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- #1370 of 1403
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Re: HHR recall [62vetteefp]
by p100
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May 05, 2008 (3:30 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (May 05, 2008 5:29 am)
I asked a service rep at the local dealership today - he said they need to pull loose the edge of the headliner, which is not glued, only snapped on, and insert plastic pieces under it. Takes about 1/2 hour to complete. I guess quality of work depends on the skill of the technician doing the job.
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- #1371 of 1403
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water leaks
by p100
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May 05, 2008 (3:32 pm)
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I read quite a few complaints about water leaks in early models. Most of these are attributable to a faulty windshield seal/installation, and in some cases kinked sunroof drains. Have these problems been corrected on 2007 and later models? Anybody has a leaky 2007 or 2008 HHR, and has the leak been fixed?
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- #1372 of 1403
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Re: recall timing [62vetteefp]
by pao
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May 06, 2008 (7:58 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Apr 27, 2008 3:24 pm)
any time a car is taken to a dealership for service, it must be checked against all outstanding recalls...legally a dealership cannot release a car back to the owner unless the dealership has completed the recall work....whether the owner wants it done or not......it all evolves around liability issues
what is your information source that most recalls are never done on vehicles.....?
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- #1373 of 1403
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Re: recall timing [pao]
by 62vetteefp
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May 06, 2008 (8:17 am)
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Replying to: pao (May 06, 2008 7:58 am)
Never heard about the legal ramifications of the dealership but I know someone who worked in the safety and legal department of GM responsible for recalls (PR). The dealership thing assumes that the owner goes to the dealership. With quality so high today most never go back to the dealership for service.
I did find an article that referenced 25% so maybe my most is too high or perhaps it was GM recalls that she was referring to. Anyway it is an interesting article on recalls.
What's more, compliance with federally mandated recalls is tough to achieve, since car owners ignore up to 25% of recall notices,
You can see why I have little respect for our recall criteria if you read the article.
http://forums.trucktrend.com/70/6208387/off-topic-automotive/nice-little-piece-o- n-auto-recalls/index.html
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- #1374 of 1403
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Re: recall timing [pao]
by dmathews3
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May 06, 2008 (10:49 am)
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Replying to: pao (May 06, 2008 7:58 am)
I have to disagree with you on that as I have had vehicles in for warranty or oil changes, etc. a number of times and have had it released back to me after informing me they had to order parts to fix it. If what you said was true just think of the PO'd customers who sometimes would have to wait weeks for repair parts for a recall.
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